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I'm not familiar with this sport. There are no difficult routines on bars that have been accomplished out of competition that could be equivalent to Simone's Yurchenko move? Routines that would even the playing field as far as points go if accomplished? Or is it that no one is skilled enough in bars to accomplish these routines?[/quote]

Theoretically, it’s open ended scoring so someone could always add skills and be able to do it. But in 2012 when the US team was stacked with 2.5 twisting yurchenkos (previously one of the two top rated vaults being performed by females - the other having a half twist onto the table and front 1.5 twist off) there was seemingly some scoring advantage towards vaulters. Which was favorable for us because we tend to have athletes that are the best vaulters in the world.

After 2012 the 2.5 twist was devalued and it was devalued again after 2016. Other things were changed as well on other events to try to somewhat align the scores. With an open ended scoring code there’s going to be a constant rebalancing process I guess, when you’re having an “all around” competition. So things have to be considered or it’s not really going to be an all around competition. So in some ways all this hasn’t been directed at Simone but was kind of already happening. There was a specific instance of lowballing a beam dismount Simone did and giving the justification that it’s dangerous. As I said I never saw the logic in that. I think outliers should be permitted. It’s more the general distribution that needs to be looked at. And if something is judged to be legitimately unsafe due to equipment limitations, it just shouldn’t be allowed period. Or equipment specifications should be reviewed, as always, if there are adjustments that can reduce common injuries.

The concept of an open ended scoring all around competition is “relatively” new to gymnastics and really only exists for women in elite competition. Men’s gymnastics has it at more levels, NCAA, developmental, etc but they also have more events so maybe that’s an equalizer itself? Don’t really know. In every other level of women’s competition, and in women’s international elite competition prior to 2005, the top score is the same on all events for everyone (a 10) there is a bonus system to get up to a potential 10 but it caps out. So would Simone do this vault if she could only get a 10 for it and someone else could do a 2.5 twist and also get a 10? It’s a good question. Simone would have most likely won vault this weekend doing the 2.5 twist as well. And the AA. So I guess in that respect she did the double pike for her own reasons anyway. [/quote]

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