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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Really, you don't?  Because we now have decades of empirical research that demonstrates that poor kids do worse in school, have more behavioral problems as a group and less involved parents.

Nobody has a knee-jerk reaction to one such poor child.  A school comprised of 50% or more?  Different experience in the classroom.  I'm sorry that's painful to hear.
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I can see the logic in this, [b]but I also see counterexamples in this area where at least according to test results there is no tell-tale difference between kids with difference incomes.[/b] For instance you can scroll down and look at the test results for two completely opposite schools in the area, Bethesda Elementary with 6% FARMS: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02401.pdf and Highland Elementary with 84% FARMS: http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02774.pdf  I did see that Highland won a blue ribbon this year so should I think of this as some kind of outlier or a possibility that it can be done?[/quote]

Have you looked at the disaggregated data?

Review Highland View - http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02784.pdf

- Whites, grade 5, reading - 94.8
- LEP, grade 5, reading - 57.2
- FARMs, grade 4, math - 69.5
- LEP, grade 3, reading - 46.6

Students now or have in the past received FARMS (ever FARMs) - 49.9%

It makes a difference.  Don't fool yourself.

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That is old data for Highland View. The newest data is on the Maryland Report card site.On last year's MSA's (2010-2011), students performed for the most part, much better. If this link works, it will show particularly the FARMS student scores: http://www.mdreportcard.org/MsaTrends.aspx?PV=1:5:15:0774:1:N:0:5:2:2:1:1:1:1:3
Grade 5 reading -non-farms students  equal to or greater than 95%, FARMS students 93.3%. Grade 5 reading non-farms greater to or equal to 95%, FARMS86.7%, Frade 4 math, all students 91.2%, FARMS 90.2%, Grade 4 reading all students and FARMS scored greater than 95%. Grade 3 math and reading, FARMS students actually outscored the all student category with scores in the 80s.

Not only are the FARMS students not dragging down their affluent counterparts, but they are performing relatively well in their own right.
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NO! The above data says nothing about subgroups.  If you move to the Midwest and examine FARMs, you'll notice that there are more white kids in that group.  Here, in our diverse area, we're looking at minority groups, too.  Where is the breakdown for Hispanic, black and Asian?  Where is the breakdown for ESL?

Sure, in one lump category, FARMs looks "good," but once you break down the data, you'll see where the challenges are.  Furthermore, I love how the one poster compares the level of white achievers in a Bethesda school to white achievers in a downcounty school.

Here's the quote from 15:43:
At Bethesda Elementary, I looked up the same statistic, and white, grade 5 reading for Bethesda Elementary is 98%. It looks like those white kids are testing nearly the same despite the presence of the lower-scoring kids in their class. It's not clear the lower-scoring kids are bringing anyone down.

Wow!  I guess you don't recognize how racist that sounds.  So it's OK for "the others" (aka "them") to score low as long as the whites are still achieving.

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