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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't see how you can say that it is huge.  What this data shows is that the average black student at Harvard has scores that are in the 95th percentile or higher of all test takers (a 1400 is at the 95 percentile and this data would say that the average is 1408).  Certainly that indicates that those students are strong test takers against most high school students.  And of course a substantial number of the black students are higher than that.  So there are a few kids who are otherwise strong applicants who get in with slightly strong test scores than other applicants, but it is not like those kids are getting in with actually low test scores.[/quote]

+1 95% will do well at Harvard--any race. Discriminating against Asians based on personality is wrong. But let's not act like the gap is the same as someone at the 75% vs 99%. [/quote]

actually I look at the harvard course choices from 30 years ago and those from this year, now that I am looking for my child, and I see way more "pre-AP", intro-type courses that last up to the entire first 2 years compared to those available when I was there - they have clearly made a whole new "underclass" track for getting degrees compared to the academic track that use to be there; after I saw this, I am seriously wondering if it is even worth it or desirable to send my kid there, it seems to have lost most of it "academic mojo" recently

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Sorry to go off topic but which schools were you impressed by and would consider for your child?[/quote]

2 different answers - impressed by - basically Caltech as a school otherwise I am not impressed by the university anymore just what you studied and if that place was a top 10 for that field - e.g. math at Princeton or cs at CMU

For my kid - well if they are studying engineering or cs or physical sciences I would encourage them to apply by field rather than by ivy pecking order and also though by average SAT score of bottom 25 percent of students pecking order - ie unis with the fewest non-academic admits

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