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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

I could go for that, but with one additional caveat: Illegals who are eventually converted to citizenship have a "restricted" citizenship: no votes, and no taxpayer entitlement programs. Yes, it's a secondary form of citizenship, but if they want "full cititzenship," they have to go back and do it the right way - like so many millions of others have done. Otherwise, it's a real slap in the face to immigrants who obeyed our laws.

Rather than call this citizenship, though, I'd prefer to just call it permanent legal residence.

Anonymous wrote:Trump is tweeting and his tweets expose his sheer ignorance and will to be divisive on this issue.

I agree with the overarching premise of the thread, but I want to know what SPECIFIC changes or legislative initiative the President is asking for?

The wall is stupid. Border Patrol prefers to use drones and other monitoring devices, and the fact is, there aren't hordes of Latinos pouring over the border. It just doesn't work that way.

Additionally, with respect to the drugs, our opioid issue is much worse than anything else right now, and that is on our legal pharacuetical industry, not illegal drugs pouring over the border as Trump would suggest.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

I could go for that, but with one additional caveat: Illegals who are eventually converted to citizenship have a "restricted" citizenship: no votes, and no taxpayer entitlement programs. Yes, it's a secondary form of citizenship, but if they want "full cititzenship," they have to go back and do it the right way - like so many millions of others have done. Otherwise, it's a real slap in the face to immigrants who obeyed our laws.

Rather than call this citizenship, though, I'd prefer to just call it permanent legal residence.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

HA! You think policy makers care what the people want? Prison systems haul in billions of dollars, as well as all the public salaries and pensions attached to it. It's a $ maker - that's *all* it's about.

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

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Anonymous wrote:No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

Why is the comma in front of the and important? The meaning doesn't seem to change to me.

Not PP but with the commas it can be interpreted as the people in the bolded clause being different people as "all persons born or naturalized" because the commas create separate clauses. Meaning you could interpret it as 2 groups being granted the rights vis a vis being 'citizens' -- people are born or naturalized citizens, and those who reside here and are subject to the laws here.

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside."

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

NP.

What about former gang members who are tattooed but have left the gang?

HS dropouts may also be more likely to fill "safety-net"-type jobs that American citizens don't seem to want: low-wage, seasonal, hourly. If they are working in a job and contributing, does their HS resume matter?

Unfortunately, some "good" illegal aliens* may be caught up in this, but remember - they shouldn't have been here in the first place - and it's more important to Americans' interests that we err on the more aggressive side and get the "loser" types out. What's happening is that liberals are more concerned about the interests' of illegal aliens than the good of American society, and we see that in their efforts to "protect" the illegals. Enough is enough.

*I've gone back to using the term illegal alien, which is technically correct, because liberals are conflating illegal with legal immigrants and failing to distinguish between the two in discussions. We solve this by getting the technically erroneous word "immigrant" out of discussion involving people who crossed the border illegally.

You are a frightening and hideous human being! They’re people...with families who are desperately looking for a better life. America’s drug appetite has destroyed their country.