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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP again.  I'm not trying to equate the "stuff" and "money" with parenting.  I'm really not.  I am (I hope) very involved and active in her life.

I'm also not trying to "manipulate" her.

I'm trying to discern the best course of action that makes her realize - eventually, maybe - that her actions and decisions have consequences; that she should begin to have some responsibility.

Incidentally she's also pissed I took her phone away (she broke her ironclad, repeat promise to give me the unlock code) and that I won't let her see a friend who is a terrible influence.  Guess who lets her use a phone and guess who lets her see her friend?  :([/quote]
You sound a lot like my manipulative, controlling father who I no longer talk to. It's funny that you call your ex bitter, but you have not managed to make a single post in this thread that does not bash her. You are bitter, manipulative, and, worst of all, lying about it.[/quote]

You sound like my husband's kids whose mother cheated on him, lied to the kids about everything regarding him, they believe him and grew up in a pretty crappy environment as they wouldn't let him in their closed world no matter how hard he tried.  Funny, they still call with their demands... it would be so nice if they stopped contact like you.[/quote]

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