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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The whole thing is breathtakingly immoral, isn't it?

It's like there are three addiction epidemics sweeping the nation - money, opioids, and delusion.

I don't discount white men, or lower income people, or rural areas of the country.  If we want to turn this around, we have to stop believing and talking as if people are just stupid.  Yes, some very clearly are but they're outnumbered.  Despite that, the public discourse is still carried out on the terms of stupid people.

I think the first step is simply to stop talking to those people.  They always identify themselves - make a note of that and move on.

Flipping things at the national level has to be grassroots - state and local level - because that's how Republicans did it.  [/quote]

It is not immoral unless you think the history and governance of the United States is immoral.  With you patronizing, elitist attitude, I understand your unfortunate judgment. Keep it up, and the optic will not change. [/quote]

The history and governance of the United States IS immoral.  It has succeeded in shifting the terms of morality so off skew that most people don’t even recognize what’s right and wrong anymore. [/quote]

If you think governance will teach people what is right or wrong, I can understand your inability to recognize immorality.  [/quote]

I have no trouble whatsoever recognizing immorality. None.

Getting others to recognize it is the difficulty. If recent events are any indication, most Americans see immorality and then question their own judgment. Kids learn to do it at an early age. [/quote]

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