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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]from pp who asked for the citation. I did see the whole thing and don't think it made your point. Also, it sounds like you are saying that a person who prays frequently is more likely to get their prayers answered than a person who only prays occasionally, when they really want something. It still sounds like trying to get in good with god so he'll give you more stuff, which makes god sound more human than godly, and not a very nice human, at that. Well, the Bible was written by humans, so it's not so strange that it would reflect some selfish human thinking.[/quote] Much in the Bible cannot be taken literally. Luke Chapter 11 is one such passage. If one could take it literally, all my health problems and my child's special needs would be gone. Nothing in the Bible says that you can wear God down. In fact, you cannot even change God's mind because [b] God is immutable in time. Since the dawn of time He already knew everything that was going to happen because He all knowing. To God, time is one eternal present[/b]. [/quote] How do you know that? Did you learn it somewhere? If so, what is your source of information and how do you know it's reliable?[/quote] St. Augustine taught that God is immutable in time and space by necessity because any being that is mutable is not perfect. If God could change His mind, he could not be all knowing because he could not know what His opinion might be from one day to the next. Angels are mutable in time but not space. Humans are mutable in both time and space. The Bible makes this clear: "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19). "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind” (1 Samuel 15:29). "They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded. But you remain the same, and your years will never end" (Psalm 102:26-27). "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please’" (Isaiah 46:10-11). “I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed" (Malachi 3:6). God is Immutable – New Testament Verses "Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us; if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself" (2 Timothy 2:11-13). "God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged" (Hebrews 6:18). "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows" (James 1:17). "He also says, 'In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end'” (Hebrews 1:10-12). "Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness— in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time" (Titus 1:1-2). [/quote]
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