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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Prayer is the act of speaking with God on the deepest level. Sometimes God answers "yes" sometimes "no" and sometimes "wait".  [b] In the bible Jesus says that sometimes persistent prayer wears God down into saying yes.[/b]  Just like a parent and child.  Mostly the answer that occurs is for our own good in the end as God sees the future and the decisions take our eternal life into account.[/quote]

Where in the Bible does it say this?[/quote]
Luke 11:5-13. You can look it up.[/quote]

Maybe you didn't actually quote it because you knew you'd get shot down, as the poster above did.[/quote]
I'm the PP who cited Luke 11, but not the PP who wrote the original item about wearing God down. But I cited Luke 11 to show where it came from. The other PP who shot me down didn't cite the relevant part of the text. Here is the whole passage:

And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’? I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs. And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

No, I don't think either of you looked it up. But I also don't think the PP who brought this up has characterized this passage properly; I just wanted to give the citation because someone asked where in the Bible the PP got that. But I'm not sure we can "wear God down" with our prayers, but we ARE told to pray unceasingly in Philippians 4. My understanding is the LORD looks at our heart, so a one-off casual prayer is probably not going to be met with the same response as fervent, repeated prayer about an issue. But ultimately, we are told in the Bible that the LORD works things out according to the counsel of His will. I don't know why He answer some prayers in some ways and others in other ways. But we are assured that if we are in Christ, the LORD hears us and responds. If we're not in Christ, we don't have that assurance. Maybe you don't like that, but that's what the Bible says.[/quote]

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