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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If they had actually asked him to get lower to the ground, they would have all been right down there with him (and probably on top of him). So, yeah, no.[/quote]

From the videos, it looks like he's too old and decrepit to get down quickly enough (or understand what's doing on), so his SS agents *pushed* him to the ground after they got him up from his chair. Apparently he could not, like his wife next to him and so many others, slide from his chair directly to the ground. So he was first helped up, which is NOT IDEAL, then told to get down, and that's when he had great difficulty doing so. Perhaps he fell harder than they intended, but the protocol is that the protectee has to be secured at all costs, so shoving and bruising a protectee is definitely allowed in life and death situations.

Since he needs to lie to himself constantly to make himself feel better, that's probably why in his mind he didn't "fall". He heard the instructions, and is going to gloss over the fact that he was "aggressively helped down".

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Me again. Vance was the first Cabinet member to be extracted out of the ballroom, because he's the second in command and alert and mobile. You can see an agent dragging out his chair from the table, and then Vance gets up and jogs to an exit. The Secret Service knew they couldn't get the President out as quickly, because they know full well he's very heavy, unsteady on his feet (apt to fall), and he cannot keep up cognitively with rapid developments. So an agent placed himself in front of the table, to block any shots, while they were trying to get him off his chair. It took way too long, because the President is to all intents and purposes, not able to help himself in such situations. It took at least three agents to try and heave him out of his chair, and since he couldn't run to an exit, they made him get down to the floor.

If you look at this from a security perspective, Vance is by far the easiest to guard. Trump is a hot mess.

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