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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]According to God (in Islam), he wants adherents to be modest. That means to not stand out or stick out, be flashy or outlandish - both in clothing, and in lifestyle.

So the wealthy Arabs with the fancy cars, gaudy houses, but simple cotton garb? They're not modest.

Wearing niqab in most places? Not at ALL modest - you're completely drawing attention to yourself.

Hijab is becoming more commonplace, and I couldn't care less whether people wear it or not. But the hijabis with the high heals, leggings, and full face of makeup are comical.

In Islam, the goal is to not draw attention to yourself. The goal is NOT to cover up - but many Muslims themselves don't understand this distinction. [/quote]
No, that's not the goal. Islam wants its adherents to be modest but not to avoid attention. It's to avoid attention for the wrong reasons.  In a country where everyone wears a bikini day in and day out, Muslims are still required to cover, despite the fact that it will make them very obvious.  One reason is to cover the parts that should be uncovered only to close family members. The other reason is to be known as Muslims.  There is nothing in Islam to say that you should wear only the clothing that makes you unnoticeable. [/quote]

So who decided that your family should be the only people who see your calves and every wisp of your hair?  What is the reasoning behind that, I guess is my question.

And why aren't men under such stringent conditions?

I guess my point of comparison is the Amish.  The Amish dress differently and behave differently from the surrounding culture, but I think it just seems more equitable because the men are dressing in a way that appears to be just as strict as the women.  And they're so plain, that's what modesty seems to be to me.[/quote]

[b]Muhammad decided.  He had his reasons, I'm sure, but you don't want to know them, you want to argue with them and prove them wrong.[/b]

Men aren't under such stringent conditions because they aren't women. [/quote]

But... what were the reasons?  I mean, is that something that should not be discussed?

And should we really accept this: Men aren't under such stringent conditions because they aren't women.

We can use that line of thinking to put any restriction on women that you can imagine.

Women shouldn't vote- they're different than men, and their emotional pee-brains will make bad decisions!
Women shouldn't drive- what if they wander into a pimp's driveway- they're different!

If this thread is bothering you, and you don't want to respond to the questions presented, why respond at all?  It's just an exercise in frustration for you.

It's important to me, as a woman, and as a feminist, that women be treated equally.

If there is an ideology that teaches that women are "less than" just because they are women, and under the thin veil of being women "precious," and "different" and "having their own special role" of course I will argue against that ideology, and fight against it, until the day I die.  [/quote]

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