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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My biggest question is why a 19 year old was drinking at a fraternity party. He was clearly underage. The fraternity had an obligation to ensure he was not being served.

This is a tough one. The victim did make bad choices. There's no way around it, and I'm fairly certain she recognizes it, even if she can't say it aloud. What I'm struggling with is how do I approach this with my kids? Do I tell my teenage daughter, go ahead and drink until you're unconscious at a party? Yes, rape is a punishable crime, but do I really want to tell her that it doesn't matter if she's out of her mind drunk at a party with a whole bunch of equally drunk men? Of course it does!

I have explained to them that not only do I expect them not to drink underage, and I have made it very clear, especially to my college aged student, that a person who is drunk or high or otherwise incapacitated cannot consent to sexual contact, and is an automatic no go. I have stressed that I think drinking in a college environment is a bad idea even for people who are of age, because the social pressure to do so is irresponsibly intense. I have also stressed that I expect them to look out for any friend, male or female, who is obviously drunk and out of control. [/quote]

I think this young man is very guilty.  To do what he did to an unconscious, out of it girl was just plain wrong.  Yes, you talk to your daughters about sticking with and leaving with friends at these parties.  If you're going to drink at least know your tolerance level. But to a degree...you really do simply trust that other young people will not hurt you.  It's that trust that makes something like this particularly awful...

This girl drank to the point of passing out behind a dumpster.  That is pretty darned drunk and that is pretty darned bad and that was going to be BAD even if she had just woke up drunk and disoriented behind that dumpster. It was not up to this drunk young man to watch over her and get her to safety - that was her job.  But of course this was not merely a matter of drinking too much and passing out. This young man had no right to sexually assault this young woman and in such a heartless way.  Thankfully those Swedes came along, saw what was happening to this girl and tackled the assailant or who knows what may have happened to her. There is pretty much no question that this guy was doing something that he knew was WRONG, non-consenual and he was trying to get away when he realized that there were witnesses to the assault.

The assailant's father is doing his son no favors with this  "20 minutes of action" crap - disgusting.  The apple does not fall far from that tree that is for damn sure.  Ugly entitlement at it's absolute worst.[/quote]

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