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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?[/quote]

[b]Why don't you understand - it's not about whether he's a criminal or a good guy. The concern is the lack of due process. I feel like people don't understand what that means.[/b]

Without due process, there is literally nothing to stop this from happening to you. Piss the wrong person off, have the same name as a bad guy, get drunk and get the wrong tattoo, get lost and find yourself walking into the middle of a pro-Palestinian protest, whatever. ICE shows up and takes you into custody, and drags you straight to a plane headed for El Salvador.

Wait, you say, I'm an American citizen! I can prove it - here's my passport/birth certificate. Please, someone just look at them, and this will all be cleared up.

That's due process. Due process is what gives you the chance to be heard before being shipped to a gulag in El Salvador. If you have no right to due process, then the iCE agent arresting you has no obligation to look at your passport or check your birth certificate. They can just decide they don't believe you, or don't care, and off you go.

I have no idea is Abrego Garcia was a criminal. Frankly, neither do you. And the reason we don't know that is because he was denied due process. The Constitution guarantees due process for everyone. It doesn't say "due process, but only for the innocent." The whole "is he a gang member/wife beater/terrorist" question is absolutely irrelevant. He should not have been deported without due process. Full stop. If due process were given and he was found to be subject to deportation, I would not care at all

It is honestly baffling to me that anyone thinks this is ok. How you don't see the danger for YOU and people you love with this precedent.[/quote]

This 1,000 times. Why aren’t people understanding this?[/quote]

More due process was given to this scumbag than was given to any of the victims of illegal alien criminals.

Watch this starting at the 6:30 mark.  He walks through every damn due process this guy had.  Watch to the end.  
Because as an MS 13 terrorist, he is not bound by deportation restrictions.

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[/quote]well that was a waste of 9 minutes. Watch it again. The last 30 seconds. Where it says "they were arguing over clerical issues. Paperwork."

That's the due process that he's been denied.

You can strawman this all you want. I don't care if Abrego Garcia is garbage. What matters more is our government, which is us, is acting like garbage.

You and your kind are just like the white men who used to pull black men out of their house and lynch them dead. You were so sure of your moral superiority over that "filth," you felt justified in your vigilante justice.   That's what is happening here.  It's the entire reason we must defend due process at all costs.

Our criminal justice system, our entire culture, was predicated on the belief it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent one. The process matters. Don't dismiss it as paperwork just because you dehumanize others so easily. One day it will be someone you care about. [/quote]

This right here. It is all about due process which is a right of everyone who walks on our soil, not just citizens. If you don’t like that, take it up with the Constitution. 
If you are caught crawling out a broken window of a store with an armload of jewelry, you get your day in court. If you are caught standing over a dead body with a gun in your hand, you get your day in court. If you are on national tv breaking into the capitol building and beating a cop, you get your day in court. That is how it works.  We are not judge and jury. The president is not judge and jury. Garcia’s innocence or guilt is a moot point. The conversation is about upholding the Constitution. [/quote]

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