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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That's not what a RIF is, OP.[/quote]

The OPM memo calls it a RIF. [/quote]

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath.  Wow.  The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf
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I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos. 
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.[/quote]

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.[/quote]

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.[/quote]

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission.  The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.  [/quote]

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc [/quote]

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians,  an entire race, and half the genders in this country.[/quote]

+1.  And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives.  It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian.  Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.[/quote]

Absolutely.  DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.[/quote]

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence. [/quote]

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.[/quote]

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?[/quote]

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it. [/quote]
So how could there be forced DEI hiring if no one could put in writing that they engaged in it?[/quote]

How could positions be wired for people if no one puts it in writing? How could anything against the rules be happening? You call someone or meet them in person. [/quote]
What would be the point of forcing people to hire a black person to meet a quota if the quota can never be discussed? There would be no point.[/quote]

The point is keeping your org from having the bad optics associated with a perceived lack of demographic diversity. [/quote]
But there would still be no formal policy demanding quotas in this case, and certainly not one administered by DEIA staff at federal agencies. These people’s jobs were to offer training on inclusivity, etc. Not to count the number of brown people and order managers to hire more.[/quote]

Still, these jobs are not needed. Move these people around to other jobs, depending on their ability or just sack all of them. [/quote]

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