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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

Yes, I read that affirmation action is going away also? One can dislike so called "DEI" initiatives, but there are some employment laws that need to stay in place, unless only white males need apply.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

An EO with a bunch of extra language in it is NOT the law? Presidents of both parties have abused EOs like effing crazy.

Yeah, it must have been super crazy! That’s why it was in place for 60 years and never revoked.

Funny way to say you agree with me. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

An EO with a bunch of extra language in it is NOT the law? Presidents of both parties have abused EOs like effing crazy.

^^^ Looking at you, Biden, with your trash EO trying to amend the constitution to include the ERA!

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

An EO with a bunch of extra language in it is NOT the law? Presidents of both parties have abused EOs like effing crazy.

Yeah, it must have been super crazy! That’s why it was in place for 60 years and never revoked.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

An EO with a bunch of extra language in it is NOT the law? Presidents of both parties have abused EOs like effing crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

An EO with a bunch of extra language in it is NOT the law? Presidents of both parties have abused EOs like effing crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

And yet Trump revoked the 1965 EO on them

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

affirmative action, quotas, and DEI are all NOT “antidiscrimination policies” which are old school EEO laws that are not going anywhere

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

That’s the point. MAGA spread the lie and is using at as cover to roll back antidiscrimination policies.

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like people are getting DEI and affirmative action and quotas all very much confused.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

I hear this anecdote a lot, but where are all the lawsuits? Where's the proof?

It's very difficult to prove discrimination in hiring. If someone is dumb enough to put it in writing, maybe. And that's true for all kinds of discrimination and shady hiring behavior. Think about all the hiring actions in the federal government that are wired for a particular candidate -- but you can't prove it.

So how could there be forced DEI hiring if no one could put in writing that they engaged in it?

How could positions be wired for people if no one puts it in writing? How could anything against the rules be happening? You call someone or meet them in person.

What would be the point of forcing people to hire a black person to meet a quota if the quota can never be discussed? There would be no point.

The point is keeping your org from having the bad optics associated with a perceived lack of demographic diversity.

But there would still be no formal policy demanding quotas in this case, and certainly not one administered by DEIA staff at federal agencies. These people’s jobs were to offer training on inclusivity, etc. Not to count the number of brown people and order managers to hire more.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering how many people impacted by this are straight white men? I’m guessing not to many.

Guessing not many White men got these jobs in the first place.

Exactly. So this is effectively targeting minorities.

Only because the original hiring was discriminatory.

So hiring anyone who isn’t white is discrimination

Isn’t hiring white male veterans DEI? Please tell me they are included. I’m not anti white male veteran, my dad was one, but if since they also benefit from hiring priority, they should be included in this.

No, veterans preference is a law. My mom is a veteran and so is my dad. While he’s a man, he’s not white. But he’s never benefited from veterans preference so it’s moot.

It’s DEI. It needs to be dismantled if DEI is going away.

Enough with there hate to veterans. You want a leg up in hiring? Then Join the service! Nobody is stopping you and anyone can join. They earned this. It’s the exact opposite of DEI. You clearly don’t respect veterans- but do not drag veterans into this.

So merit is less important than rewarding certain groups of people?

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering how many people impacted by this are straight white men? I’m guessing not to many.

Guessing not many White men got these jobs in the first place.

Exactly. So this is effectively targeting minorities.

Only because the original hiring was discriminatory.

So hiring anyone who isn’t white is discrimination

Isn’t hiring white male veterans DEI? Please tell me they are included. I’m not anti white male veteran, my dad was one, but if since they also benefit from hiring priority, they should be included in this.

No, veterans preference is a law. My mom is a veteran and so is my dad. While he’s a man, he’s not white. But he’s never benefited from veterans preference so it’s moot.

It’s DEI. It needs to be dismantled if DEI is going away.

Enough with there hate to veterans. You want a leg up in hiring? Then Join the service! Nobody is stopping you and anyone can join. They earned this. It’s the exact opposite of DEI. You clearly don’t respect veterans- but do not drag veterans into this.