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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s astonishing that anyone still believes mass immigration is a net positive for any native people. Ask the American Indian. Ask the Palestinian.[/quote]
Astonishing you can say this with a straight face.

ask Trump - both wives who are immigrants, including one whose family came on a chain migration, and whose mother was also an immigrant

ask Vance - wife's family are immigrants

ask Rubio - family were immigrants

ask Miller - family were refugees
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Trump hired foreigners at cheaper wages. How does that benefit people born here?

It doesn't. Don't be addicted to cheap labor [/quote]

It's not always cheaper labor.

In many (I would argue the majority), Americans are willing to take these jobs but they are not even considered at any price due to the ethnic nepotism practiced by Indian hiring managers.[/quote]
I mean, Trump hired H2 white eastern european foreign workers over local black floridians.[/quote]

show us a SINGLE democrat advocating to restrict H2 visas?

a SINGLE democrat ???????[/quote]
Show me what Trump has done about H2s?  Here, I'll show you:

Trump increases visa:

first term:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-administration-brings-in-15000-more-temporary-workers-this-year/

second term:
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-administration-will-add-roughly-65000-seasonal-guest-worker-visas-2026-2026-01-30/

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/trump-seasonal-visa-reversal-breaks-from-foreign-labor-crackdown

[quote]Employer groups made an intense push after the government signaled at the end of 2025 it would release only 35,000 additional H-2B visas for the coming year, cutting nearly half the number available over the past three years. Their efforts culminated in the Labor and Homeland Security departments this month authorizing more than 64,000 additional H-2B visas—nearly doubling the annual number available by statute.[/quote]

I'm sure they greased Trump's palm.

Trump picks eastern european foreign workers over Americans

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/13/16466542/trump-h-2b-guest-workers

Who's your saviour now?[/quote]

we know republicans are evil.

but Democrats used to be the party of labor but have abandoned US workers, YET STILL CLAIM THEY WANT TO HELP US WORKERS!!!!!

[b]show a single Democrat that advocates to reduce H2 visas?[/b]

meanwhile. the evil party is ...

Two complementary bills now pending would deliver what executive action cannot. In the House, Rep. Eli Crane's End H-1B Visa Abuse Act (H.R. 8443) pauses new H-1B issuance for three years, then permanently cuts the cap to 25,000 and imposes a real labor-market test on every petition. In the Senate, Sen. Tom Cotton's Visa Cap Enforcement Act (S. 2941) closes the loopholes that let hundreds of thousands of additional foreign workers slip past the 65,000 statutory cap each year. Together, they address both the size of the program and the loopholes that inflate it well beyond what Congress originally authorized.

Send a message to your U.S. Representative urging him/her to support and pass H.R. 8443, the End H-1B Visa Abuse Act, and to your U.S. Senators urging them to support and pass S. 2941, the Visa Cap Enforcement Act.[/quote]

This is all great, but even if this passes, available jobs for American citizens are unlikely to increase without also targeting outsourcing.   Every major fortune 500 company has an offshore outlet or a contract with a big offshore bodyshop to provide labor that could be done by our grads easily in the USA.  The number of these positions across all the companies is enormous.  Right now there is zero penalty or any type of tax for our corporations to offshore the entire departments if they wanted to.   It's time to tax this sh*t.  I don't see how these extra profits are trickling down to us.[/quote]
The US relies on H2 foreign workers to work on farms. There is no way American workers will work those jobs.  And before someone says, "Well, if they pay enough they will."  Think things through.  Business 101... labor is the most expensive part of the cost of goods/services for a company.

Unlike the service jobs at Trump's hotels where Americans really did want to work there, but they were the wrong skin color.[/quote]

There's not a labor shortage, there's a livable wage shortage.

If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works.

[b]If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.[/b][/quote]

Or when your workers have to rely on social services and various low income subsidies to survive.

Bottom line is, the topic we are discussing is directly related to this, because if you take too many living wage paying jobs and make them unavailable to your citizens then your citizens will have fewer options, and will start looking at low wage service jobs as the only way to survive if unable to get professional jobs or make it in trades.  This will start inflating the need for social services and taxpayer sponsored benefits for working poor, because companies employing low wage workers do not want to pay living wages.  And in many cases cannot afford to if their margins are already too thin, like in small business setting.

You are saying these businesses should fail, but when what is left?
I would prefer if we focus on bringing back living wage jobs and/or retaining whatever living wage jobs remain or are going to be created. [/quote]

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