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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And you decided to post this for bum pats?. [/quote]

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?"  Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers.  We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.  [/quote]

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”.  It really is a mystery.  Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level.  This poster is the poster child for that study. [/quote]

He's not more "distant."  He lives here.  He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard.  So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.  [/quote]

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity.  They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want.  As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering.  And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question:  If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business?   What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem.   Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer.  Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer.  Just try to focus on the economic issue.  What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies?  Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic.  What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement?  We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses.  Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue.  But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country.  Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?[/quote]

Well yes. OP is a wealthy retired attorney whose child was a surplus elite DOGEd by the Trump administration.

Their priority is using this luxury belief to signal moral superiority.

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