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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

Yet, here you are, coming back over and over again for more. Physician, heal thyself . . .

I commented on page 3 and came back to read the thread.

Shocked to see you respond to every comment in real time! Who has time for that? You apparently.

Interesting way to spend your days in retirement.

Yet, here you are, again.

Making 2 comments in 4 days is normal.

Posting comments every minute for days is not.

Get a life Gramps.

Look, we all know that every reference to “white savior” comes from you. You’re all over this thread. You’re not fooling anybody. Why are you so upset?

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

Yet, here you are, coming back over and over again for more. Physician, heal thyself . . .

I commented on page 3 and came back to read the thread.

Shocked to see you respond to every comment in real time! Who has time for that? You apparently.

Interesting way to spend your days in retirement.

Yet, here you are, again.

Making 2 comments in 4 days is normal.

Posting comments every minute for days is not.

Get a life Gramps.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

Yet, here you are, coming back over and over again for more. Physician, heal thyself . . .

I commented on page 3 and came back to read the thread.

Shocked to see you respond to every comment in real time! Who has time for that? You apparently.

Interesting way to spend your days in retirement.

Yet, here you are, again.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

Yet, here you are, coming back over and over again for more. Physician, heal thyself . . .

I commented on page 3 and came back to read the thread.

Shocked to see you respond to every comment in real time! Who has time for that? You apparently.

Interesting way to spend your days in retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:Tax fraud? Shouldn’t he be paying taxes on income and reporting it.

How do you know he's not?

It would take a lot of undocumented immigrants to equal the amount of income tax fraud the Trumps (not just Donald) have committed over the years.

Well he’s illegal. And he’s being harbored by his employer. So he’s definitely not paying taxes.

He's not illegal. No one is illegal. And he's paying taxes, just not income taxes. As I've said before, he probably wouldn't owe a lot of income tax anyway. And he's not burdening the state in any way -- he doesn't claim or take advantage of any social programs or anything. He likely costs us less than the lazy "domestic" workers around here.

What you are doing, hiring an undocumented immigrant, is illegal. And how do you know for which state or federal program he or his family members applied? Do you pay his health insurance? Do you pay his short term disability insurance?

You need to catch up on this thread before spewing your bullshit. He hasn't applied for any state or federal program because he has absolutely no legal documentation whatsoever. He lives completely in the shadows. He doesn't even have a driver's license. I do know from our conversations that he's not married and has no family other than an adult daughter who he's not responsible for. I don't know if she lives here or his home country. I don't even know his last name. I know he doesn't have health insurance because he was sick once and told me he didn't and that he couldn't get it. He did say, though, that someone helped him be seen by a doctor and get taken care of.
He has a community of people to turn to for sure. As far as he and I are concerned though, it's simply this: He shows up, he works, I pay him, ask him how he's doing, wish him well, and that's it.

How do you know that you’re not harboring a serial killer? Or a former drug cartel member?

I'm a good reader of people.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

Yet, here you are, coming back over and over again for more. Physician, heal thyself . . .

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

Obviously you’re retired. Old retired alone and seeking meaning for yourself which you find by playing white savior and posting about to internet strangers all hours of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:So effectively an indentured servant?

Considering that we pay him more than triple the minimum wage in our state? I don’t think so.

I don't believe this. Can you show us the proof?

I pay 36 an hour. The minimum wage here is under 10. That's more than three times the minimum wage. What more do you want?

Minimum wage is a disgrace. Landscapers make more than minimum wage.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll take "things that never happened" for $200 Alex.

You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it any more true. Here is my last text exchange with the guy, translated from Spanish:

"Hi, you can expect me on Monday around noon.

Hi, ok perfect, I won't be here when you arrive because I'm taking the grandkids to a matinee but I'll be back before you finish I'm sure."

That's how we operate. I have no reason to make this up. Why in the world would you think it's so unbelievable? Because I actually pay him well?

Your made-up text messages don't prove the truth of your made-up story.

Care to explain why you think this is such an outrageous story? It’s happening all the time in the USA.

Yes, there are definitely people all over the USA texting their lawn guy that they’re “taking their grandkids to a matinee” and then coming into DCUM and bragging about “that’s just how they operate.”

They used to brag about how many slaves they owned. It was a status symbol.

Such a tired and offensive analogy.

Yet somehow so satisfying to keep pointing out. Do you have any other hobbies besides bragging about how many illegal servants you have?

Maybe. You sound jealous.

You haven't seen my glutes after I use my manual push mower. Then we'll talk about who is jealous.

Very true. People are paying to drive to a gym to get on a treadmill. I’m using manual tools to cut overhanging branches and weeds that are like trees. Mowing a small mower and planting flowers in my garden. Sweating and working on my muscles and strength. (I’m female). Lawncare using manual tools is great exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?