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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel. [/quote]

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married. [/quote]

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people?  This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to. [/quote]

NP
You are talking about love? Just calling it love doesn’t make it morally right.
How about we allow and celebrate love between adults and minor children? 
How about we allow and celebrate love between humans and animals. 
That’s love right? Not hurting anyone.

Don’t hide behind love to justify your sins.[/quote]
Animals and children can't consent. Why do you compare a consenting adult relationship with animal and child rape? How do two adult men or women in a relationship affect you at all?[/quote]

They can’t consent because we said so and made it our laws.
Children could also rise up and complain about these laws being unfair, insisting that they are mature enough to consent.

That won’t change anything because We believe that even though the child claims to be in love with an adult, we won’t condone these types of relationships because they are immoral.

Btw, I’m surprised you said children can’t consent to sex, but you and your lgbtq friends think these same children can consent to gender affirming surgery without parental consent. 
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What about a 12 year who was impregnated without consent? Is that immoral? [/quote]

Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children

The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin can take place before that, and often did in medieval times. The Talmud recommends that a man marry at age 18, or somewhere between 16 and 24.

The Torah allowed for a father to marry off his young daughter, yet the Talmud states that as a matter of recommended practice, "it is prohibited to marry off a young daughter until she is old enough and she says 'I like him'."

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/legal-religious-status-of-married-woman

The first major written collection of the Jewish oral traditions, the Mishnah, also known as the "Oral Torah", tells us:

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The basis for this tradition comes directly from Moshe and the Torah itself, with Numbers 31:17-18 stating:

17 Now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has ever slept with a man. 18 But the young girls who have never slept with a man, keep alive for yourselves.

Jewish people could keep their enemies, specifically the young girls, as sex slaves. The Mishnah, however, attempts to moderate this activity through the imposition of a moral/legal obligation upon the man - in having sexual intercourse with "a girl [aged] three years and one day" she becomes his wife and is owed all the legal rights of a wife.

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