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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t know how anyone could worship a god who created a subclass of people who loved in a certain way and then told them they were not allowed to love in that way or else they would go to hell. What kind of sicko mind would come up with such torture? To create some humans a certain way and then tell them they must deny themselves a crucial part of their humanity for their entire lives? Disgusting if it were so.

Luckily the god I worship would never be so cruel. [/quote]

No human is a subclass.

Have you ever lied? Stolen anything? Done anything that you knew was wrong, but did it anyway? I have. And it was sin. God didn’t create us to throw our hands up and say “oh well. Guess I will do whatever I want.” We know when we sin, we die like to admit it. It makes is human to want to sin, as we all are sinful, but with God’s grace and strength we recognize our misdeeds/sins and try to turn away from them and do better.

I don’t think denying the urge to sin is denying my humanity. If we didn’t deny ourselves, what would we be? Slaves to emotion and greed and anger.

If a married person sees someone and says they love that person and sleeps with them, yes they did wrong. They should deny themselves and be faithful ti their spouse. If they can’t do that they should not have gotten married. [/quote]

You’re comparing harming someone through stealing and lying to love between two people?  This is why people leave religion.

And it also sounds like you must be asexual because you seem to imply you’d be able to repress your sexuality easily if you were told to. [/quote]

NP
You are talking about love? Just calling it love doesn’t make it morally right.
How about we allow and celebrate love between adults and minor children? 
How about we allow and celebrate love between humans and animals. 
That’s love right? Not hurting anyone.

Don’t hide behind love to justify your sins.[/quote]

You are comparing homosexuality to child rape and … beastiality?

Really?

Oh and BTW child rape does cause harm! 
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Not comparing them. Just following your “no boundaries” rule about sexual relationships as long as they are based on love.

Nobody talked about child rape here btw. 
If a minor loves an adult and want to have sex with them, we should celebrate it because it’s love? Who are you to say that the child should not love?

You see how this has nothing to do with love? It’s about immoral acts. We know what they are and we set boundaries.

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It’s not immoral for 2 consenting adults to have sex. [/quote]

What if they are married to other people?

What if one of them has a spouse sick with cancer?

What if one of them have an std or sti they are not disclosing to their consenting partner and unknowing spouse?

Jesus never said don’t molest children. Do we think He was silent on the matter because He was ok with child molestation?

Jesus never said don’t get high- is He ok  with drug use/abuse?

Jesus never said don’t drive drunk, does that mean drunk driving is ok?

Jesus never said don’t go into a school and shoot students and teachers, does that mean it’s ok?[/quote]
Since child marriage was common in that day, isn’t it likely that jesus was pro child rape? [/quote]

Jesus was the first person to give women rights. In His day, women were literally property. The Jewish people in His community, their culture allowed this treatment of women. In fact, Jesus stopped a group of Jewish men, leaders, community members, from stoning a prostitute to death. He told the prostitute to go and sin no more. He loved her, and wanted her to live her life without being sexually sinful.

Women were completely separate from men, Jewish men and women lived almost completely separately, the only time they were together was in bed. Jewish culture and the cultures of people at the time, their customs were that young women and girls were married to older men. Jesus didn’t make that happen, nor did Christianity. If you can think of a group of people or culture that didn’t marry young girls off to older men, let us know. They all did it.

Jewish culture in the first century was decidedly patriarchal. The daily prayers of Jewish men included this prayer of thanksgiving: “Praised be God that he has not created me a woman.” A woman’s place was in the home. Women were responsible for bearing the children, rearing them and maintaining a hospitable home. Men were not to greet women in public. Some Jewish writers of Jesus’ time, such as Philo, taught that women should never leave the home except to go to the synagogue.

So yeah, blame the Jewish people of the time. Their men were so misogynistic they woke up everyday and thanked God they weren’t women. Women were under the domination of their fathers, then husbands. Totally.

Rabbi Eliezer, a first-century teacher, is noted for saying, “Rather should the word of the Torah be burned than entrusted to a woman.”

Jesus was radical because He simply spoke publicly to women.

Jewish people taught that women were “unclean” during their period- Jesus rejected that and said that was not true.

Jesus treated Martha and Mary as if they were valuable and worthy of attention and respect, something that the Jewish people during that time would not do.

Women were present at His death, and Jesus revealed Himself after His resurrection to women.

No other man before Jesus treated women with respect and as if they were worthy of being listened to and included in any facet of life. Jesus was amazing in his role as a Jewish man, teacher, and leader.

The Jewish people of Jesus’ time were prochild rape. They subjugated girls and women to the extreme and Jesus was the lone voice to proclaim there was a better way to treat women and girls.

How can you be so ignorant of the customs of Jesus’ time? [b]He definitely was not abusing women and girls or treating them like chattel and disparaging them as their own fathers, husbands, and community did. [/b]

Crack a book occasionally. It’s borderline embarrassing and exactly why listening to people posting here about what Jesus really meant or what the Bible “really” says should be avoided. People with no knowledge or understanding are speaking about things they know nothing about. Don’t do it, and don’t listen to tik tok, or read crap that is made up by people advocating for political parties or political agendas.

Jesus came to save us from our sin, not to applaud wildly while we sin and praise each other for our sin. Going to church to be told how great you are is just another way to serve your own desires and earthly purpose. You can live your life based on your sexual desires for a limited time, hope you all find something beyond sex to occasionally think about or to do in your lives. There should be things that are as important as your sex life to you, but [b]I sense people posting here in this thread center their life around who they have sex with instead of God[/b]. [/quote]

So then why do many religious people want to treat women poorly today?

And shouldn’t people center their life around their families? [/quote]

Being gay or straight doesn’t have anything to do with families. It’s who you have sex with. Homophobia implies that Christians hate people who have sex with same sex people.

Gay people cannot have children through  the natural biological process straight people have children by. They can adopt children, or use a medical procedure to become pregnant.

The people posting on this thread center their entire lives around sex. It’s not healthy for gay or straight people to center their lives around their sex life. Sex is not the meaning of life. Sex is a part of life, but not the most important thing in life by a long shot. Defining the entirety of who you are as a human being by who you have sex with, that’s how you want to live? That’s your most important issue in life, making sure everyone knows who you have sex with, and making sure everyone approves of the people you have sex with?

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