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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The thing to me is that we only know what we know. Science has deemed XX as female, and XY as male, but we do know that even genetically, there are many intersex states. [b]We don’t test people for their genetics unless there appears to be ambiguous genitalia or the like.[/b] We do know that hormone exposure in uterine can cause. We have no idea about if other genetic expressions can make a difference, because [b]pretty much the only thing we base sex on is genitalia. 
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Science is science only as long as it’s known. That’s the cool thing. It’s constantly evolving and changing, and thinking we know now what we will know is just ignorant at best. So the people using “but, science” as an argument that trans people just have something wrong in their heads don’t understand science at all, IMHO. The world was flat until it wasn’t. Pluto was a planet until it wasn’t. You got sick from a miasma, until we knew about germs.[/quote]

Not true. These days most women get routine genetic testing when they're pregnant, including to determine the chromosomal sex of the baby. [/quote]

Right. And we know, through fetal genetic testing, that XX = female and XY = male. And genitalia aren't the only indicators of biological sex ... there are organs, like the uterus and then glands - prostate and mammary. Women have secondary sex characteristics like breasts.

Why are we debating science of sex? You can acknowledge the biology of sex and also recognize that sexual and gender identity are at the same time fluid for many people and that what sex a person identifies as may not always align with their biological sex. I can have a vagina and also sexually identify as a man and want to conform to gender norms for men in terms of clothes, demeanor, relationships, etc. But I'm still not biologically a man. And that's okay. It doesn't diminish my orientation. [/quote]
[b]What do you mean by conforming to gender norms for men in terms of demeanor and relationships? In this day and age, what are the gender norms for men in terms of demeanor and relationships? What are the gender norms for women in terms of demeanor and relationships?[/b][/quote]

Not the PP, but I’d think gender norms are what [i]passable[/i] transgender people live as and exhibit.

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Again, I ask what are those norms? I understand wanting to wear the clothing of the opposite sex, cutting your hair short if you are trans male...I'm not understanding the gender norms in terms of demeanor/relationships. What male demeanor gender norms can't women in the time also exhibit? Same with relationships?[/quote]

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