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OP here, also German, a few years older than you.

Being historically conscious and feeling compassion for Palestinians is no contradiction to me. Messy conflicts such as the Israeli-Paletinian one know (too) many victims and few heroes. But the Palestinian civil population is suffering the most, and it is natural that one's sympathy would be with them.

At the same time, Israel's right to exist and the right of Israelis to live self-determined, in peace and in safe borders is beyond question to me - but the same holds for Palestinians.

Then again, the fact that the Palestinians don't have their own state today is in part their own fault. A couple of times, serious and brave Israeli statesmen - Jitzchak Rabin, Ehud Barak - made [b]reasonably fair [/b]peace offers that could have much improved the Palestinians' plight, but the vain and incompetent Palestinian leadership did not take them. The Palestinians would have needed a Nelson Mandela or at least a Gerry Adams, all they had was Yassir Arafat. It takes two to tango, and also two to make peace.

At the same time, and in contrast to the Rabins and Baraks, I do not consider today's Israeli Prime Minister a figure with whom progress could be achieved. Loyalty to Israel does not mean that one needs to agree with its political leadership at every juncture. At this juncture, I don't. [/quote]

Why do they just have to make reasonably fair offers, why not fair offers. When Israelis are fair, it is different than for everyone else. 
Why did Germany not give the Jews land? How would you feel if someone said that you had to leave your home and give it to Jews after the war? At that time, Germans probably would have given over the land. But eventually they would ahve complained, but still not with the intensity of the Palestinians. In hindsight, it was an opportunity missed, a homeland in Europe. [/quote]

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