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Anonymous wrote:If you were a regular German citizen who survived the war, would you be eager or even willing to admit that you had serious suspicions about what was happening to the Jews and did nothing to help? Or would it be easier for you to say that you'd heard certain rumors that you entirely discredited?

Let's think about this in current terms. If you are a regular Israeli or American Jew, are you eager or even willing to admit what is happening to the Palestinians? Are you not similarly guilty by omission?

This wouldn't actually be comparable, even if you limited to Israeli Jews, which you didn't. (Note that American Jews are Americans.)

However, there are some parts of German society that are quite grateful for the Israeli Jews vis a vis the Palestinians, because then every time the Holocaust comes up, they can say, "Oh yeah? Well, what about what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians?"

What parts of German society are you referring to, and what are you basing this on? Because I lived in Germany for 30 years and have never met anybody who would say such a thing, and I cannot imagine any of the Germans I know thinking it. The Germans I know find it very difficult to take a position in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, because while they recognize the injustices that are happening to the Palestinians, they find it very hard to take a position against Jews. They know it is a complicated situation, one for which Germany is partially responsible, and they would never compare the crimes against Palestinians with the Holocaust, much less use them to excuse it. The singularity of the Holocaust is a pretty strong dogma in Germany.

See the PP at 19:44.

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Anonymous wrote:It has been suggested to me the Jewish population was made the scapegoats for perceived or actual rise of affluence without inclusion within Germany?
I also dismissed this as racism but as an adult I am very confused when I am faced with a racist Jewish person.
Yes I'm AA. But never knew about the Jewish Black problems until I came to DC.and I hear it's real bad in NY. Any thoughts?

I am AA and married to Jewish person.
I know about the racism. It is tricky and hard to deal with. Difficult to explain it to my kids.
Almost all white ethnic minorities seem to have more issues with Blacks than the typical White Anglo Protestants. It may be a confidence thing. Or perhaps these White minorities are scared of perceived lower social status in associating with Blacks. Who knows.
We belong to a congregation that is supposed to be liberal but I have heard some really searing comments about Blacks (IQs, sex stereotypes, violence) that leave me speechless.
I know that Jews have achilles heels, things that cause them to get really upset (not just the stereotyped issues). If the shoe had been on the other foot, most of these people would not forgive me.
Please, I hope that I can continue to be patient.

Interesting. I'm the poster you responded to. I'd even considered converting for a time but nastiness (stereotyped generalizations) I've encoutered as an adult has also left me speechless.

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Yes, true. You can't force Palestinians to live in Jordan.
I am just saying that there would have been no Israel without support from the West.

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Then again, the fact that the Palestinians don't have their own state today is in part their own fault. A couple of times, serious and brave Israeli statesmen - Jitzchak Rabin, Ehud Barak - made reasonably fair peace offers that could have much improved the Palestinians' plight, but the vain and incompetent Palestinian leadership did not take them. The Palestinians would have needed a Nelson Mandela or at least a Gerry Adams, all they had was Yassir Arafat. It takes two to tango, and also two to make peace.

Gerry Adams the terrorist? Interesting selection as Mandela was at some point considered a terrorist as well.

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Why did Germany not give the Jews land?

I doubt they would have taken it after the holocaust. Hence this is a hypothetical, not a real scneario.

How would you feel if someone said that you had to leave your home and give it to Jews after the war?

Actually my mother's family had to leave their home (in Silesia), fleeing from the advancing red army. The land was then given to Poland, and resettled by Poles who themselves were driven out of Ukraine.

But my mother's family was lucky: they resettled west of the iron curtain, and thus could share into post-WWII West German freedom and prosperity. The Poles had it worse.

That is in hindsight. If they were told, no Palestine, no Judea, no Canaan, yes Bavaria, they would have had to go along. If the British had forced them what choice would they have had.

Migrate to the US, Argentina, Britain, as so many others....

You can't force someone to live where he does not want to.

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Why did Germany not give the Jews land?

I doubt they would have taken it after the holocaust. Hence this is a hypothetical, not a real scneario.

How would you feel if someone said that you had to leave your home and give it to Jews after the war?

Actually my mother's family had to leave their home (in Silesia), fleeing from the advancing red army. The land was then given to Poland, and resettled by Poles who themselves were driven out of Ukraine.

But my mother's family was lucky: they resettled west of the iron curtain, and thus could share into post-WWII West German freedom and prosperity. The Poles had it worse.

That is in hindsight. If they were told, no Palestine, no Judea, no Canaan, yes Bavaria, they would have had to go along. If the British had forced them what choice would they have had.

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Anonymous wrote:
Why did Germany not give the Jews land?

I doubt they would have taken it after the holocaust. Hence this is a hypothetical, not a real scneario.

How would you feel if someone said that you had to leave your home and give it to Jews after the war?

Actually my mother's family had to leave their home (in Silesia), fleeing from the advancing red army. The land was then given to Poland, and resettled by Poles who themselves were driven out of Ukraine.

But my mother's family was lucky: they resettled west of the iron curtain, and thus could share into post-WWII West German freedom and prosperity. The Poles had it worse.

Anonymous wrote:Gerry Adams the terrorist? Interesting selection as Mandela was at some point considered a terrorist as well.

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Why did Germany not give the Jews land?

How would you feel if someone said that you had to leave your home and give it to Jews after the war?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has been suggested to me the Jewish population was made the scapegoats for perceived or actual rise of affluence without inclusion within Germany?
I also dismissed this as racism but as an adult I am very confused when I am faced with a racist Jewish person.
Yes I'm AA. But never knew about the Jewish Black problems until I came to DC.and I hear it's real bad in NY. Any thoughts?

I am AA and married to Jewish person.
I know about the racism. It is tricky and hard to deal with. Difficult to explain it to my kids.
Almost all white ethnic minorities seem to have more issues with Blacks than the typical White Anglo Protestants. It may be a confidence thing. Or perhaps these White minorities are scared of perceived lower social status in associating with Blacks. Who knows.
We belong to a congregation that is supposed to be liberal but I have heard some really searing comments about Blacks (IQs, sex stereotypes, violence) that leave me speechless.
I know that Jews have achilles heels, things that cause them to get really upset (not just the stereotyped issues). If the shoe had been on the other foot, most of these people would not forgive me.
Please, I hope that I can continue to be patient.

Interesting. I'm the poster you responded to. I'd even considered converting for a time but nastiness (stereotyped generalizations) I've encoutered as an adult has also left me speechless.