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I drive an electric car. You should take a break because this is an unhealthy obsession. [/quote]

Electric cars solve one of the problems with cars, namely: tailpipe emissions. But that's the only one.[/quote]
E-bikes and Electric cars have the same environmental impacts. [/quote]

No, this isn’t true at all. Yes, both of them have environmental costs from battery mining, but e-bike batteries are so much smaller than car batteries that comparing them is silly. E-bikes are [b]clearly the far superior environmental choice[/b] to electric cars (and I say that as someone who has an electric car, and also a non-electric bike).[/quote]
Are you capable of not trying to claim your opinion as fact? The PP that said you are perseverating was correct.

Here are some facts. Once you have opened a mine, the marginal impact of the additional materials is less significant. You still need one mine for one E-bike and one mine for one electric car. It is the same for the whole supply chain. The rest of the materials are also the same: steel, rubber tires, etc. The only major material that cars have that e-bikes don’t is glass, but that is the most easily and best recycled material in the world.

So do you have any facts or just more opinions?[/quote]

I don't know who you think you're replying to, but this post that you replied to was my first post in this thread, so I know for a fact that the PP who said someone was perseverating was not talking about me.

Aside from the efficiency argument another poster made -- you can make far, far more bike batteries from one lithium mine than you can car batteries -- there have been a lot of studies that find e-bikes are much better for the environment than EVs are. That's partly because bikes of any kind are better for the environment than cars of any kind; here's a study in the UK that found that electric cars lead to added congestion because (while they do have zero direct emissions, which is why I personally have an electric car), they're ultimately still just... another car on the road: https://electrek.co/2019/07/08/study-electric-bicycles-better-than-electric-cars/

Another study notes that the carbon footprint of manufacturing one e-bike is about 165 kg, compared to 5.5 tons to manufacture a small hatchback and 13 tons to manufacture an SUV (not sure if the carbon footprint of manufacturing an EV is more or less than an ICE car, but either way, it's not comparable to a bike): https://eponline.com/articles/2023/01/13/environmental-impact-of-bikes-and-e-bikes.aspx

I don't know what side of the bike/bus vs. car argument you're taking in this thread. And, again, I have an electric car and don't have an electric bike, so I'm arguing against my own interests here. But it's absurd to claim that e-bikes and electric cars have the same impact on the environment, and it's also absurd to claim that's just my opinion.[/quote]

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