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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone who lies about their race or anything else on a college application or job application or whatever is giving up way more than they're gaining. Why would anyone give up their integrity for ANY reason, let alone one that will make no difference in their future happiness or success?[/quote]

Colleges should not discriminate based on race in the first place.
That's evil.[/quote]

So basically, "I don't like what I perceive someone else to be doing, so I can do whatever I want in response."

That kind of rationale has led to all sorts of evil through the ages.[/quote]

Whereas “others do evil to me but I do nothing in response” only leads to good outcomes for the victims. 🙄[/quote]

Fair point. What I should have said is that you're wrong about colleges discriminating on the basis of race, if you're defining 'discriminating' as deliberate exclusion. There are no evil plans being executed by admissions offices.[/quote]

So discrimination is totally fine if it’s the obvious byproduct of a policy? [/quote]

'Discrimination' is used in different ways by different people and in different situations. If you're using the word to mean deliberate exclusion of a group of people by college admissions offices, then you're wrong. To be more specific, fewer people of one race being admitted to a college as a byproduct of another race being given some preference due to horrific mistreatment historically is not a racist policy. It's the natural outcome in a zero-sum game.

[b]"Racism against one race in order to help another race is not racism, ackshually." WTF, do you even believe this illogical nonsense? Sad to say you probably do.

And oh by the way, in college admissions, they are very clearly deliberately excluding Asians. They know they're doing it, and they are busy inventing specious justifications for it - much as you are doing here. [/b]

It's moot anyway. Not being admitted to any given college isn't doing anyone any harm. The slightly less selective college they get into is just as capable of giving them the education they need.

[b]LOL do you realize you just entirely destroyed the basis for affirmative action? If it doesn't do anyone harm not to be admitted to a selective college, then that precise logic certainly applies to African-Americans. They can go to a less-selective college and get the education they need. They'll do fine, right? Oh wait, you meant that it's only the [i]Asians [/i]who have to suck it up and go to a lesser college? Hmmm I dare say the Asians might not agree with that racist idea. [/b]

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Your definition of 'racism' is not accurate, so there's no point in arguing with you.

You are correct that blacks can be just as successful going to a less selective school and that the elimination of AA will thus not do them harm, but that's not the point. Harvard and all the other highly selective colleges believe they can deliver a better education to their students by having a balanced student body with a wide diversity of experiences, and my opinion is that [b]they should be allowed to choose who they admit with that goal guiding their process.[/b] If that means including some people because their race has led to their not having had the same privileges as others, it should be allowed. I understand that SCOTUS may disagree.

You seem unlikely to believe me, but I value what people of all backgrounds have to offer to our world.

Your nasty tone is not one I want to interact with any more beyond this post.[/quote]

DP.  A private enterprise should be allowed to do what they want.. e.g. Deny making you a cake because they don't like something about you, admit who they want because they feel like it, etc.  However, to qualify as such an enterprise, you should also be paying your dues, for example, taxes.  All of these 'non profit' institutions are mooching off my $.  I subsidize them and therefore I absolutely get to have a say in what they do and how they go about doing it.  Don't like it, go 'For Profit', pay full taxes.  Be a 'man'![/quote]

What makes you think that the other millions of people whose tax dollars go to subsidizing education agree with your opinion? Should we have a committee with representation for all taxpayers overseeing the admission process, telling them how to make their decisions? I'll let you take charge of that endeavor.[/quote]

That's what our elected representatives (e.g. congress) and the officers they appoint (e.g. Courts) are for.  We should let them do their jobs.  The vast majority of voters in every poll clearly state that they are against admissions-fixing.  Why not listen to them and not wait to be forced into action by the courts?[/quote]

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