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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.[/quote]

5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.[/quote]

Re: Ukraine’s history of racism [b]- the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades.[/b] Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.

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I don’t get this take.  Did you expect them to be racially diverse?   Should Africans have emigrated there while they were being brutalized by Stalin?   Are you mad they didn’t have black slaves back in the 1800s?  Why do you expect a European country to be racially diverse?[/quote]

I think it’s weird that Americans are saying the USA is worse than Ukraine and other similarly situated countries when it comes to race based on our history of slavery. The reality is that Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. have rather overt racism today that is far worse than what we have in the US. Think: 60k white nationalists marching in a Polish parade. Google it.

The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white.

FYI: Nordic countries similarly have immigration policies aimed at keeping their demographics white (and Christian).

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Ukraine has only been it’s own country for thirty years.  You expect them to have some sort of racially diverse immigration policy?   Why?  Why do they need to change their demographics?  Why can’t they just be their own country?  Why do they need to import people of different races?  I genuinely don’t understand this perspective.  [/quote]

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