Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 10:08     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
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Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?


I told myself to stay away from this thread yesterday evening but am lured back by the ignorance here. No one is justifying Putin invading Ukraine, but there are several of us calling out the racism at the borders when there is a war going on, and saying there are bad apples everywhere. Is it that difficult to accept? I bet this is one ignorant person who chooses to read what she wants and is harping on with no valid points. Your post is so idiotic. I doubt you realize how stupid you sound.


Are you a reporting live from the borders of Ukraine? I doubt it. The allegations of racism are baseless. Unless and until you are living in a war zone - you have no idea. Your experience is limited to what you read and see on the internet. This is so disgusting given the innocent lives being taken daily. But you go ahead and sit on your couch and tell us all about what is happening in the Ukraine. Pathetic.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:58     Subject: Re:Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, neo-Nazis are have so much popular support in Ukraine that they elected a Jewish president. Makes total sense, in the mind of a propagandist.


Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc. are well known to have overt racism. Their demographics are very white.

Jews tend to be white, fwiw. They are treated better than the black Nigerians trying to flee Ukraine.


Able body economic refugees are treated better than able body Ukrainian men - even in Ukraine. Ukraine men send their women and children to safety. They return to the war torn Ukraine to defend their land.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:44     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Two things can be true at the same time. Xenophoboia in eastern Europe stems from nationalism. This is the reason why western europeans are suspicious of nationalism. Those places are not a melting pot and have never intended to be. Yes, neo-nazis are a problem in Europe, just like they are in the US. Every country has its struggles. Americans wants perfect heroes and unredeemable vilains. Well, Ukraine is not perfect. But there are more pressing issues right now.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:26     Subject: Re:Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:25     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?


I told myself to stay away from this thread yesterday evening but am lured back by the ignorance here. No one is justifying Putin invading Ukraine, but there are several of us calling out the racism at the borders when there is a war going on, and saying there are bad apples everywhere. Is it that difficult to accept? I bet this is one ignorant person who chooses to read what she wants and is harping on with no valid points. Your post is so idiotic. I doubt you realize how stupid you sound.

+10000000
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:18     Subject: Re:Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:12     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
As a non-American I’m rather bemused that anyone is painting vast swathes of Eastern Europe as populated by white supremacists. You know, in other parts of the world, people read articles about white supremacists in the US (er, think attack on the Capitol) but hopefully most realise that doesn’t make the entire country a bastion of white supremacy. The Al Jazeera article says there are 900 members of Azov - crikey! they’re probably nasty folk but in a country of 45 million people, they only number in the hundreds. I’m sure there’s a lot of racism but that is different to white supremacy and probably is often directed at each other.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:12     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?

Where did I write that Russia should have invaded Ukraine? You keep shifting all over the place because you have no points to make and know nothing. Sit down.


DP. What is the point you're trying to make? That the slaughter of innocent civilians in Ukraine is justified because they have some neo-Nazis? That's the point Russia has tried to make.

You need to go back to school and learn how to read with comprehension this time.


Nice flippant answer to justify children bombed to pieces.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:09     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?

Where did I write that Russia should have invaded Ukraine? You keep shifting all over the place because you have no points to make and know nothing. Sit down.


DP. What is the point you're trying to make? That the slaughter of innocent civilians in Ukraine is justified because they have some neo-Nazis? That's the point Russia has tried to make.


PP’s only point it to try to spread Russian propaganda. Don’t waste time or effort entertaining it as anything more than that.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:08     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?

Where did I write that Russia should have invaded Ukraine? You keep shifting all over the place because you have no points to make and know nothing. Sit down.


DP. What is the point you're trying to make? That the slaughter of innocent civilians in Ukraine is justified because they have some neo-Nazis? That's the point Russia has tried to make.

You need to go back to school and learn how to read with comprehension this time.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:07     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?

Where did I write that Russia should have invaded Ukraine? You keep shifting all over the place because you have no points to make and know nothing. Sit down.


DP. What is the point you're trying to make? That the slaughter of innocent civilians in Ukraine is justified because they have some neo-Nazis? That's the point Russia has tried to make.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:07     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Re: Ukraine’s history of racism - the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades. Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.

PP here. Yes, exactly. Their history of racism is limited because of their geographical location - they've never had enough interaction with brown and black peoples of the world. So? Does than negate the fact that Ukraine does not have a significant history of mistreatment of POCs, at least compared to USA, UK, France and many other countries that do have colonial past, history of slavery and segregation?
Whether it's caused by kindness of their hearts or lack of opportunity, the end result is the same.


Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:04     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:How typical of Americans to struggle mightily with critical thinking. Here, let me help you all out.

1. Ukraine has a massive Neo-Nazi and white supremacist problem. Neo-Nazis and white supremacists fill its armed forces and legislature. They have popular support. It is a long-standing and has been well documented and anyone pretending otherwise is either ill-informed (and needs to shut up) or a propaganda-disseminating troll.

Excellent write-up of the issue from today: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment

The NY Times from four days ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.html

The Nation in 2019: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/tnamp/

Guardian in 2014: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis


2. America and the EU are denying Ukraine‘s Neo-Nazi problem because it does not dovetail with their deification of Zelensky and Ukraine. They’re probably also concerned that people like those posting in this thread cannot comprehend that it is possible for bad people to exist on both sides of an issue. So, they have simplified the situation into goodies versus baddies for the TV watchers who cannot handle reality.

3. Russia, too, has a massive problem with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. A significant portion of Russia’s arm forces too consists of white supremacists. Putin is a monster.

4. In conclusion, white supremacists are about to fight each other. One set of white supremacists (Russians) illegally invaded another set of white supremacists’ country (Ukraine). One set of white supremacists (Russia) is also a much bigger threat to the west than the other set of white supremacists (Ukraine). So, the West supports Ukraine. The end.


5. Ukraine, despite backwards and nasty views on race, diversity etc etc being much more prevalent there than they are in the West, has caused immeasurably fewer atrocities against and harm to POCs currently and in the past than, first and foremost, the United States, but also UK, France and others. So framing Ukraine being attacked as 'just white supremacists' by Americans is rich.


Re: Ukraine’s history of racism - the country’s demographics speaks volumes. Simply put: they haven’t had a sizable demographic that wasn’t white until recent decades. Ditto for neighboring countries.

Poland is overwhelmingly white and Catholic. In recent years, Poland has had white nationalists marching in large numbers.



I don’t get this take. Did you expect them to be racially diverse? Should Africans have emigrated there while they were being brutalized by Stalin? Are you mad they didn’t have black slaves back in the 1800s? Why do you expect a European country to be racially diverse?


?

I think it’s weird that Americans are saying the USA is worse than Ukraine and other similarly situated countries when it comes to race based on our history of slavery. The reality is that Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. have rather overt racism today that is far worse than what we have in the US. Think: 60k white nationalists marching in a Polish parade. Google it.

The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white.

FYI: Nordic countries similarly have immigration policies aimed at keeping their demographics white (and Christian).



Ukraine has only been it’s own country for thirty years. You expect them to have some sort of racially diverse immigration policy? Why? Why do they need to change their demographics? Why can’t they just be their own country? Why do they need to import people of different races? I genuinely don’t understand this perspective.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 09:03     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?


I told myself to stay away from this thread yesterday evening but am lured back by the ignorance here. No one is justifying Putin invading Ukraine, but there are several of us calling out the racism at the borders when there is a war going on, and saying there are bad apples everywhere. Is it that difficult to accept? I bet this is one ignorant person who chooses to read what she wants and is harping on with no valid points. Your post is so idiotic. I doubt you realize how stupid you sound.
Anonymous
Post 03/01/2022 08:54     Subject: Africans and blacks in Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What country in the world does not have some element of fanatical hate? It's a fundamental problem with humans. That doesn't mean we can use that as an excuse to start wars.

This thread is funny. You people have gone from denying that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem to justifying it now that the facts have been spelled out with evidence you can’t dispute. At least pretend to have some sense of morals and decency.

“Er, um, any allegation that Neo-Nazis have a strong presence in Ukraine is a Russian disinformation talking point from the pits of hell…but also this Neo-Nazi problem Ukraine doesn’t have is completely justified!” 🤡 🤡 🤡


The US has a neo-Nazi problem. Should it be invaded by Canada?

Where did I write that Russia should have invaded Ukraine? You keep shifting all over the place because you have no points to make and know nothing. Sit down.