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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s frankly both.  Lack of good coaching especially in youth stages leads to talent leaving.  The remaining less talented players are then stuck with evening crappy coaches.  Thus a bad spiral.[/quote]
I find it hard to believe there was any talent to start with. Real players don’t even start with valor. It has to be in the single digits of notable players starting at valor.[/quote]
Considering Valor is what 3 years old not sure how anyone young that started there is old enough to prove one way or another.   On a side note ya'll are crazy don't act like 99% of parents sign their kid up for the league closest to their house.   From there they may learn there are other options out there but to blanket statement say "real players" don't start with Valor.  Please tell me what is an 8 year old real player in your mind? [/quote]
SYA and CYA players still make up the older ages. Also, there are many talented u littles (u12 annd below) and they don’t come from valor. [/quote]

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