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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Interesting piece, by a Muslim, on the disconnect that results when non-Muslims ask Muslims about Quranic verses. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-rizvi/an-open-letter-to-moderat_b_5930764.html[/quote]

I thought this article mapped the DCUM discussion pretty closely.
Muslima: Islam treats captives well and it treats women equally.
Various posters: but the Quran says XYZ and the Quran is the word of God so it can't be ignored.
Muslima: I meant, the Quran treats women with equal justice with an emphasis on society's needs trumping individual needs.
... Long digression on the relative roles of the Quran and sharia (interestingly, another pp here just wrote that sharia is fundamental to being a Muslim, while a different Muslim poster here says she doesn't give it great authority)
... Another long digression on whether Muslima and the other poster speak for Islam, or whether they are engaged in a conversion effort that involves some white-washing, or whether their Islam is as valid, or more valid because it's personal and people are entitled to that, than al-Azhar's Islam.

Cue insults from both sides.[/quote]

Should we talk about why you got spanked by the moderator? [/quote]

The moderator apparently shares your view, that you are entitled to represent all of Islam with statements like "Islam treats captives well" or "Islam offers equality to women" (both things you and Muslima have said without any further qualifications or explanations, until you were challenged), and that bringing up Quranic verses and sharia that millions of other Muslims follow constitutes bigotry. I'm happy for you that it gives you endless opportunities for gloating little victory laps.

That's the moderator's prerogative. However I and others here disagree that you're entitled to speak for all of Islam, mostly because you've been caught being ignorant of your own holy book several times (by another PP, not me) and you've also been caught flat-out wrong several times (converts, treating captives well, women, just to mention a few examples).

It's also troubling that you call anybody who doesn't agree with you, for whatever reason (providing new evidence, disagreeing on the beauty of women's roles), an Islamophobe.

It's also troubling that you started several different threads accusing Christianity (but not Judaism, for whatever reason) of promoting polygamy, violence and homophobia, but you expect perfect respect for your own religion. Do you have a double standard?

To be clear, you are absolutely  entitled to have your own version of Islam and to represent it as such. What I and others find troubling is that you represent your very particular Islam as the same Islam followed by millions of even moderate Muslims.

Bottom line: How does it promote understanding about what's going on in many moderate Muslim societies today, to leave people with the unmoderated statement that "Islam offers equality to women (again, a statement that one of you actually made) is actually misleading in many contexts. anybody who questions or doubts this is an Islamophobe"?

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