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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here again.

Not sure why so many people were triggered but let me try to clarify:

(1) I didn’t say Virginia doesn’t have many options. I said it doesn’t have many *good* options. How to define a “good” school is subjective. I personally think UVa, W&M, UMCP, and VT are good or great.  JMU, GMU, and UMBC are just OK.

(2) An option is not really an option if you cannot choose it. UVa and W&M are extremely selective. VT, a land grant school, became very selective for popular majors.

And VT prefers the OOS kids, which makes things worse. Look at the acceptance rate:

VT in-state: 50%
VT OOS: 63%

This is same for JMU. Very easy admission for OOS kids.

JMU in-state: 71%
JMU OOS: 87%

So I think it’s very possible that many good students who would get in a big state school such as Michigan State or Pitt/PSU didn’t get in VT only because they live in Northern Virginia. (Also kids who would get in a second tier public school such as Temple may not get in JMU)

I am sure some people already knew that the college options in Virginia are not that great any more.  Let’s just accept the reality. 
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Four good or great public options in the state is pretty impressive really.  Certainly better than Maryland, NYS or Mass.[/quote]

Number of public colleges in USNWR Top 100:
CA - 9
FL - 4
NJ - 4
NY - 3
VA - 3
PA - 3[/quote]

Now do it per capita because on state on your list is a lot smaller than the rest [/quote]

Yes, per capita is a better way to look at it - I agree. I've expanded to top 150 with a minimum of two schools per state. Per capita is in the parentheses - lower is better. This is based on 2020 census numbers, so I have not adjusted for population under age 35. That may be a better way to examine it.

Number of public colleges/universities in USNWR Top 150:
CA - 11 (1 school per 3.59M residents)
VA - 6 (1.44M)
NY - 6 (3.37M)
FL - 6 (3.59M)
TX - 4 (7.29M)
NJ - 4 (2.32M)
PA - 3 (4.33M)
OH - 3 (3.93M)
IA - 2 (1.60M)
OR - 2 (2.12M)
AZ - 2 (3.58M)
IN - 2 (3.39M)
MD - 2 (3.09M)
MI - 2 (5.04M)
GA - 2 (5.36M)
NC - 2 (5.22M)
IL - 2 (6.41M)
CO - 2 (2.89M)
SC - 2 (2.56M)

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But what about the size of school?

[u]Undergraduate Enrollment[/u]

W&M: 6800
UVA: 17,500
VT: 30,400

Total: 54,700

Arizona State: 65,500
Arizona: 40,400

Michigan: 33,700
MSU: 39,200

IU: 35,600
Purdue: 38,000

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Agree. The PPP was tabulating in-state schools in the T150 per high school senior, but what OP is focused on is in-state seats in the T75 per high school senior. Those are the kids for whom the landscape in Virginia looks crummy: qualified Virginia residents who could get into many T75 state schools (but, because they live in NoVa, not the ones in Virginia) and many Virginia schools (but, because they live in NoVa, not the ones in the T100). Those kids and their families are forced to make a significant trade off on price or ranking, all while being told that there is no trade off. [/quote]

OP here.

You are exactly right.

As I had shown above, the total enrollment for three top schools is less than 55,000 and one third of them are OOS kids.

Too many NOVA kids who would easily get in state flagship in other states are forced to accept less desirable choices or look for OOS options.

I really don’t know why they don’t increase the enrollment faster and limit the OOS admission.

Instead people just repeat the same mantra:

[i]Virginians are so blessed with so many choices. [/i] :roll:

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William and Mary and UVA will probably never expand much beyond their current capacity, no space. UVA is struggling now to get 2nd years on grounds housing… Is what it is.[/quote]

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