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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP here again.

Not sure why so many people were triggered but let me try to clarify:

(1) I didn’t say Virginia doesn’t have many options. I said it doesn’t have many *good* options. How to define a “good” school is subjective. I personally think UVa, W&M, UMCP, and VT are good or great.  JMU, GMU, and UMBC are just OK.

(2) An option is not really an option if you cannot choose it. UVa and W&M are extremely selective. VT, a land grant school, became very selective for popular majors.

And VT prefers the OOS kids, which makes things worse. Look at the acceptance rate:

VT in-state: 50%
VT OOS: 63%

This is same for JMU. Very easy admission for OOS kids.

JMU in-state: 71%
JMU OOS: 87%

So I think it’s very possible that many good students who would get in a big state school such as Michigan State or Pitt/PSU didn’t get in VT only because they live in Northern Virginia. (Also kids who would get in a second tier public school such as Temple may not get in JMU)

I am sure some people already knew that the college options in Virginia are not that great any more.  Let’s just accept the reality. 
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Maybe the OOS acceptance rate is higher for VT and JMU because the OOS kids who *are* applying have higher stats on average than the in-state kids. Is that a possibllity?[/quote]

It's a possibility.  But more likely is that if they want X out of state students to enroll, they know the yield will be much lower, so they have to admit more to achieve that.    I'm no longer in VA, and I can tell you JMU and even VT are not on kid's lists for OOS schools.  They are not a UMich or UWisconsin.  So I suspect they may be safety/give it a whirl school choices for some in case they dont' get into something better.  [/quote]

Tell that to all the OOS parents on the FB pages of both those schools.   :lol: 
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I'm sure most of the OOS students at JMU and VaTech are all very excited to be there. They picked a school that's a great fit for THEIR kid.

However, I'm not in DCUM area anymore, and nobody applies to either of those, whereas I personally know 4 OOS attending UWisconsin and 2 attending UMich, from my kid's friends group and family.   And there were several more who got in but chose elsewhere at the HS.  Those two are extremely popular for Top State Flagships for OOS students.  [/quote]

Well.. UMich is close to T20 territory and is T20 for pretty much all academic departments. Wisconsin, while a tier below, is a robust, full-fledged state school and has been in that neighborhood for a while.  Tech is just climbing into the T50 zone, that too thanks to some USNews woke math. JMU is a T100 at best. Can't compare.

From an experience perspective, can't beat the first two.  From a salary outcomes perspective, the last 3 should be comparable. [/quote]

Do people really choose where to go to college based on salary outcomes?[/quote]

They think they do and it's ridiculous. So if the "outcome" are teachers and social workers and therapists and police officers, then they failed? If this is the case our society is doomed.[/quote]

There are plenty of schools that are clearly designed to produce teachers, social workers, nurses, and police officers. Maybe they're below your radar screen. Those schools do emphasize the fact that you'll be employed after you graduate. It's not going to be a tech / financebro salary, but it is commensurate with your investment in the school - thus your education has a good ROI.

On the other hand, if you're paying for an $80k private school so that your kid can become a teacher or social worker, then yes you have failed, you are stupid.[/quote]

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