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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]With all the focus on UVA on DCUM, it ends up four insignificant places in front of the University Florida in this rating.  Since USNWR added the Pell grant metrics, it really has brought a bunch of schools, particularly the UCs, up the ranking[/b]s.[/quote]

[b]You're looking at the wrong ranking.[/b]  All college counselors know that public and private universities cannot be compared - they have different missions to their states, hence, agricultural offerings at VA Tech, etc. andin-state v. OOS issues. The correct USN&WR rating for UVA is the "Top Public Schools" where UVA comes in no. 4 after UCLA, Berkeley and Michigan. For 27 years UVA was no. 2 and sometimes no. 1 public, always above Michigan.  When USN&WR started incorporating Pell Grant recipients as a criterion to be looked at, UVA dropped to No. 4 because Michigan has more Pell Grant recipients. But if you know anything about Pell Grants, you know that UVA and the other schools have no ability to affect their Pell Grant numbers since that is a function of the state's populace.  https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public.  If a school is in a wealthier state per capita, their Pell Grant recipient numbers will necessarily be lower.[/quote]

They were looking at the right ranking.  Florida is 30 and UVA 26th.  If you want to look at the public schools only, then yes, UVA is only 2 spots ahead of Florida.  Schools can do things that affect Pell grant applications.  They can recruit more in less affluent school districts.  They can accept more people from less affluent areas (which might lower overall admitted stats).  UVA already gives significant admission advantages to certain minorities (blacks and Hispanics).  They can avoid doing ED (which has wealthier applicants).[/quote]

It’s odd how shocked people here are that Florida, a state with over 20 million people, and no elite private schools (unless you count Miami) might have a couple of decent public schools. A large number of Florida kids are choosing to stay in-state because it’s affordable and space is limited at the top. The higher-ranked Florida schools are not easy to get into, at least compared to other “party/football” schools.

It’s like Florida is the New Money, Riff Raff, who should never have been allowed in the club.[/quote]

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