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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well Stephen Hawking rejects argument #1 - 3 and arguably #6.  He says there is no need for God in the current understanding of the origin of the Universe.

So that gets rid of the design argument.
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"Spontaneous creation Is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," is what Steven Hawking says.

First, why is Steven Hawking your absolute authority?  Are you saying he is omniscient?

Second, his statement is not so much a rejection of a first mover, an Uncaused cause, as a renaming of it as "spontaneous creation.". So nothing created something out of nothing versus someone created something out of nothing.  Which statement makes more sense?

Third, our understanding of how things came to be does not answer why things came to be.  Hawking himself said in an earlier book "if we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason--for then we should know the mind of God.". But we would only know how, not why.

There is nothing science can learn that would require disbelief in a Creator.  Rather, science should allow us to draw closer to God, since He is the Author of science.  [/quote]

NP here.

First, Hawking knows more about the actual workings of the universe from the moment of creation than most people.

Second, both are possible.  But there is no evidence to support a God.  If there is a God, who made him?  What caused God?  If you can believe "he always was" it is just as easy to believe that the universe always was.  As for the statement that you think Hawking believes something was made out of nothing, you can read physics just like I read the bible to understand more about what physicists really mean.

Third, there may be no reason for why the world exists.  It may well be that it just "is".  When Hawking talks about the mind of God, he is not a believer in God.  He does not need a why in the sense that you are looking for.  His why is fundamental forces.  A psychological need for "why" the universe exists does not mean that there is an answer to that need.[/quote]

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