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If we lose the election and analysis shows that part of the reason was the reaction to the impeachment in the swing states, I hope you will recognize that reality and not rant about racism and deplorables.

Yes, I am a Democrat and I think this impeachment exercise is asinine. Trump will be acquitted in the Senate and will claim victory and will say it was a totally partisan move to damage him ........ and that message will likely get through to some independent voters. Of course, you can then rant about uneducated Trump supporters who are traitors, etc.[/quote]

We should all be prepared to lose an election to stand for our principles. There is absolutely no question at all that impeachment is the right thing to do. It is for the history books. Four more years of Trump and some judge appointments do not have the same weight.

It's amazing how people cannot look past their own little immediate interests. Taking a stand for the integrity of the Republic is far more important than you or me, PP.

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Please ...... this has nothing to do with integrity for most who vote for impeachment. Are you seriously suggesting that if the circumstances were reversed and we had a Democratic president who indulged in the same conduct, Democrats in Congress would be ranting for removal ........ or for that matter, the Republicans would not be making the same sort of arguments that the Democrats are today why that Democratic president should be impeached? No, Democrats would be making every excuse for why impeachment is not warranted.

My primary goal is to get a qualified Democrat in the White House. It would be foolhardy to take any action that does not accomplish that goal - and that is the point that Willie Brown is making. And that was Pelosi's reason for caution before she caved to pressure.[/quote]

I don't think Democrats would have elected such a person, PP. But if they had, enough of them would naturally act like one of the previous posters and strive to protect their own majority to the detriment of the Republic, exactly like the Republicans are doing now.

Again, most people only look to their short-term interest, which is really sad. I am thankful that Pelosi understands her place in history and is taking a stand.
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Quite honestly, Trump is an aberration - I don't think either the Democrats or Republicans would choose someone like him in the foreseeable future. So when you say the Democrats would not have elected - more to the point, nominated - such a person, I agree with you. If someone like a Trump were nominated I don't doubt for a minute that the Democratic base would have supported him/her based on the lesser of two evils. All you need to do is to see posts on this forum that they will vote for any Democrat who ends up being nominated before voting for Trump. Admittedly some of this is hyperbole.

How someone like Trump ended up being nominated and elected is a whole different subject but I would suggest it is massive failures on the part of both the Democratic and Republican establishments to recognize and respond to the concerns of many voters.

What is interesting is that the Republican reaction to the move to impeach Trump is no different than the Democratic response was when there were moves afoot to impeach Clinton eg why go through this divisive process given that conviction will not take place in the senate. I think it was Schumer who said this during an interview in 1998. Pelosi said then and more recently that she is opposed to impeachment if it ends up being a partisan vote - she said both sides must be supportive of the process otherwise it would be divisive. I just don't go along with the moral superiority of Democrats when it comes to issues such as this - both sides are territorial and partisan.

The main reason why the Democrats are going this route is primarily to try and damage Trump and prevent his reelection. [/quote]

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