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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am pro union and I don’t see it as the unions’ job to advocate for educational quality- their job is to advocate for the teachers’ interests.

It’s like expecting a union of Amazon workers to advocate for the customers- sorry that’s not their interest.  It is a worker organization.

If you want higher quality teachers then teaching should be a higher paid and more respected profession like it is in other advanced countries.  If it were a more competitive field you would see higher quality candidates.[/quote]

So, it sounds like indeed, that unions confer no direct benefit to educational outcomes. So far, the only argument that I have seen is that blue areas have both unions and better educational outcomes. But it's not clear why that would be the causal connection and not other policies related to local politics. Or simple wealth.[/quote]

The argument for a union is not for better products, it’s for better quality of life for the workers.  Better products are often a byproduct. If unions do confer benefits to education it is an indirect result.  I have no issues with this.  It is just the definition of a union.  I’m a little surprised at the naïveté of people who think the union is operating for the benefits of students or their parents.  That’s just not their function.[/quote]

The union is literally making claims about how they're speaking for the benefit of students or their parents. And this is why I am shocked at seeing any parent take union claims at their word. They're not trying to help us. As you said, they don't care.[/quote]

It’s not that they don’t care, their ultimate priority is protecting their workers, same as your ultimate priority is securing the best education for your child.

Sometimes I feel like as Americans we get so lost in bullshitting and saying the right thing.  Of course the union is going to claim that what they want is best for students because their position is that what’s best for teachers is also what’s best for students.  You have to recognize that someone who is negotiating on their own behalf is ultimately in favor of their own interests first without being your enemy.  The vitriol against teachers on this board is moronic.[/quote]

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