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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]That why schumer was so angry that he had his little shut down tantrum.  He thought he had a handshake deal with trump on immigration last week because he conceded all the important deal points but trump pulled the rug out from under him.  He still should have not shut down the govt cause now he gave trump a double victory.  Trump really ate Schumers lunch on all this.[/quote]
You're not seeing it from the perspective of Schumer and the Democrats.  From their perspective, if they don't stand up to fight for the DACA kids, then all 800,000 of them are subject to deportation starting in March 2018.  All those kids were brought to the United States as minors, and have been in the United States for the majority of their lives (some from before they could even walk or speak), so they know the United States as their only home.  Many of them have no family elsewhere.  If they're tossed out of this country, they will essentially be on the street in a foreign land.  Schumer and the Democrats are the last hope for those DACA kids.  So for Schumer and the Democrats, this is a moral stand.

For Trump - and I guess for you - it's not about the people or the issue, but rather about the optics of who "wins" and who "loses."  So I guess if that's your perspective, then you can say Trump "wins" this round.

Speaking as an independent moderate though, I respect Schumer and the Dems for taking a principled stand to help the DACA kids.  They did all they could, and if they are ultimately unable to help those kids, then I won't fault them.  If the public polling is any indicator, then a significant majority of people in the United States also agree with them.  So even if Trump "wins" by forcing the DACA kids out of the country, he may well face lots of serious backlash.[/quote]

The fundamental problem is not whether some accommodation should be made for the Dreamers but what the nature of that accommodation should be. The Hispanic lobby and most Democrats want them to be given amnesty with a path to citizenship. But there are other alternatives to protect the Dreamers:

- they could be given 5 year renewable work permits which would grant them permanent resident status as long as they don't break the law
- if the above happens, then one could offer citizenship to those who serve in the armed forces and are honorably discharged
 
This would be a compromise that would prevent them being deported but still not reward them for breaking the law. But in conjunction with this one would need border security that would minimize the likelihood of this happening again. There would need to be legislation that enable the prompt deportation of those who enter the country illegally. Sanctuary city nonsense would need to end. Chain migration should be limited only to parents and minor children.

Visa overstays should be dealt with by prompt deportation.

Keep in mind that there are millions of people following the rules and waiting patiently to enter the country. Why should Dreamers have precedence over them in permanent resident status?

And if all of the above happens, then the issue remains about what to do with the parents who were the ones who broke the law in the first place.

All of the above would take care of the Dreamers but would not be responsive to what the left wing of the Democratic party wants which is amnesty and citizenship.[/quote]

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