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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have heard of Christian missionary groups but I have never heard of Muslim missionary groups, have you? I worked with refugee Muslim families and they told me about Christian missionary groups on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. They are impoverished Muslim families and the familes tell me that Christian missionary groups sweep in, providing baskets of food and water but also quite a few brochures on "Jesus, our Savior." lol  Honestly, Muslims NEVER want people to convert under compulsion or coercion. It has to be through revelation and divine guidance. Muslima was speaking in "flowery" terms not because she was proselytizing, but simply because she clearly is devoted and loves her faith. Nothing wrong with that! It just irritated the hell out of you that she spoke so positively about her faith, thats all.

I think Muslima and I have been informative and answered questions to the best of our ability. I think we've done a fine job. I'm glad that now this thread will permanently remain with links included for people to learn more about true Islam. My intention was never to convert anyone, but simply to remove some of the hatred and vile accusations against a religion that is dear to billions of people. 
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Please, just stop. Islam is ALL about conversion. You deny the "compulsion" part, and that lack of compulsion is probably true in many areas. But compulsion MOST DEFINITELY EXISTS in Muslim-run areas where non-Muslim dhimmis face economic sanctions for not converting, and where polytheists are subject to slavery for not converting (I'm thinking of Mauritania, for example).

You simply can't, and shouldn't feign, ignorance about Muslim efforts to convert people. For example, a mosque in Virginia leaves flyers on doorsteps (my non-Muslim coworker finds them on her doorstep) about Islam. Some flyers talk about the "truths of Islam" and one flyer even argued that Islam isn't really anti-dog (yes, I understand the various positions about cats vs. dogs, but I think we can all agree we don't want to get into that one.)

The fact that you and Muslima are deliberately painting a distorted picture of Islam is proof enough that you're trying to convert people. (Sorry, but a distorted picture is not "fine job" at all, and clarifying the distortions isn't "vile" unless you think the truth about your religion is "vile.") That, plus the fact that you're practically salivating over the prospect (completely fantastical and unsupported by any stats) of a Muslim on every block, speak more truly to your desire to convert.

(Also: "that's all" not "thats" all.)[/quote]

You are intentionally screwing up this thread to deflect from the truth. Yes, my dear, punishment for apostasy exists, as does stoning for adultery and beheadings, but by a version of Islam that has zero basis in the Quran. The political solution is for clerics, imams, and mullahs in those countries where culture is deeply entrenched in Islam to meet with US and European clerics, imams, and mullahs and re-evaluate their understanding. In such countries they used to bury female infants. They were, and in some respects, remain an ignorant pseudo muslim society. 
Islam in America or Europe as taught by reputable scholars is free of those old cultural restraints, and that is why it is TRUE islam.

If you truly want to know about true Islam you would check out the Islamic scholar Hamza Yusuf's youtube lectures. Google him rather than cutting and posting your cliff notes of oppressive Sharia laws.

And I mentioned that Hamza Yusuf was Muslim as a mockery and in reference to the pp who felt it noteworthy to expose  that most of Islams converts were of African descent. Our own prophet was middle eastern and possibly dark complected, so whether anyone is dark or light complected is irrelevant to God in Islam. [/quote]

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