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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The UK and Europe with a few exceptions learned too late what unfettered immigration had done to their economic and social well being. The tide toward nationalism is rising and eventually economic recovery will follow.

The US was fortunate to put an end to open borders before a final tipping point was reached.  But it will take time and expense to right the ship.  [/quote]

The UK is an intriguing tale. 30 years of mass migration, virtually unrestrained, major population growth, but the average Brit is effectively poorer than they were in the 1990s. Especially when factoring in much higher housing costs due to housing shortages on top of terrible salary growth.[/quote]

So you’re blaming immigration for the UK’s economic woes rather than the impact of the global financial crisis and Brexit?

Did you know that the UK’s population increased by 20% in 30 years while Australia’s increased by 50%? And Australia has gotten wealthier. Make of that what you will.[/quote]
 
NP- Apples and oranges. You're comparing a country 30+ times the size of the UK with 42 million fewer people...[/quote]

Huh? I’m a little confused. I’m comparing the UK and Australia.[/quote]

Yes, exactly. Australia is 30 times larger than the UK and has 42 mil fewer people than the UK. These are not figures you can compare in the way you are trying to.[/quote]

What has that got to do with anything? [/quote]

It's very different when having national health care for a population of 330 million versus 30 million or whatever it is in Australia. The scale is hugely different. It should work in our favor for certain things like prescription drugs and economies of scale, but at the same time watching EU countries and experiencing their health systems, the bigger the country, the "worse" the care.

Having experienced first hand healthcare in different first world countries, the US approach is extremely generous, it's over the top, when you get down to it, which is probably one factor for why it is also so expensive compared to other countries, it's because we also do a lot more in terms of treatment and care. But it can be excessive. NHS in the UK is much more bare bones and rationed. I have Kaiser HMO after years of PPO plans with BlueCross or Cigna that were considered excellent plans, and the NHS, and will say the most efficient and balanced healthcare of all was with Kaiser's HMO. Most people do not need PPO plans. Most Americans would not be happy with NHS after familiarity with their PPO or HMOs.

What people are also doing is conflicting quality of US healthcare with health metrics, the two are not the same. Worse health metrics in the US is not due to the quality of healthcare, which is excellent in most places, but lifestyle factors like obesity and poor diet. [/quote]

You don’t think access to healthcare plays a role? Isn’t it crucial?[/quote]

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