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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol[/quote]

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet. [/quote]
It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now.   Might level set some of the younger age groups parents. [/quote]

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team.  At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team.  The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her.  Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap.  Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior.  They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning.  That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster.  Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively.  No exaggeration, it's not close.  The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc.  The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them.  At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got.  But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team.  For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball.  I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl.  Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits.  They're used to having to do too much with less team help.  Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.
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In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise. [/quote]

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.[/quote]

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