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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.

The first example is younger first team vs older third team.

What's maybe missing is that first team might not be challenged or develop IF it stayed in its age group. They might not do as well playing up but this is what they call development and a credit to those players (unless they are getting boat raced).

Sure, I have no problem with them playing up. I’m just showing the relative strength that size/age gives a team and, therefore, a player. If players on that older, third team are moving down bc of this change, they will displace many of the players on the younger, higher leveled teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.

The first example is younger first team vs older third team.

What's maybe missing is that first team might not be challenged or develop IF it stayed in its age group. They might not do as well playing up but this is what they call development and a credit to those players (unless they are getting boat raced).

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.

The first example is younger first team vs older third team.

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.

The first example is younger first team vs older third team.

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.

One thing about your example is I'd say at most clubs most 3rd teams or lower have similar talent/coaching. Your point would be stronger if the younger team was the a or b team.

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Anonymous wrote:99% of the comments ignore the PP's question lol

I think it’s hard to have that conversation with the club now if tryouts are in march/april. Clubs will just speculate because they don’t have firm ideas of who is coming to tryouts yet.

It's really not that hard for clubs to set up scrimmages of mixed age groups now. Might level set some of the younger age groups parents.

From what I've observed of older second team players against first team younger players, there's going to be a lot of coach/parent-interpretation over which kids are "better," and hence the need to try out at a few clubs if you want to move from a second to first team. At 2012 & 2013 ECNL/RL, I've seen different players look completely superior in different circumstances.

2013 "stars" sub up for 2012 second team: 2013 stars looked mediocre, like middle of the 2012 second team. The most technical player was completely useless, pushed off everything, overwhelmed by girls being bigger and faster to pressure her. Only one who looked OK was the most athletic, least technical, of the bunch, because she could still scrap. Best 2012 girls are carrying the team.

2013 first team game against 2012 second team: 2013 girls looked totally superior. They play as a team better, won the game, and demonstrated far better off-ball movement and positioning. That carried the day over a team that was physically stronger and faster. Even the best 2012 girls look like they are chasing play.

2013 first team and 2012 second team practice together: in 1v1 (and even 3v3) drills, the best 2012 (Q4 girls) absolutely dominated the 2013 girls, both offensively and defensively. No exaggeration, it's not close. The best 2012 girls were stronger, faster, better skills, juggle better, etc. The worst 2012 second team girls were even more noticeably a mess.

So, if I'm the 2013 first team coach watching a scrimmage against 2012 second team, I'm thinking I don't want any of them. At a merged practice doing drills and small-sided scrimmages, I'm thinking a couple of the second team 2012 girls are better than anyone I've got. But those girls are definitely behind on the patterns of play of a better team. For instance, they crowd teammates, expecting the ball to be lost, instead of finding space and preparing to make a scoring run when a teammate wins the ball. I'd be left wondering if I can teach off-ball movement to the better 1v1 player or if I should just wait for the younger, better-off-ball player to catch up athletically to the older girl. Essentially, I think some coaches will say "it's too late" for the Q4 girls to catch up on their soccer IQ and just pass on them if they were on the second team. It's not very fair, but second team players have some bad habits. They're used to having to do too much with less team help. Other coaches will take the best 1v1 players, which will lead to a bigger shuffle.

In our club with six teams at each age group, the club put the first 2016 team in the same division as the third 2015 team. Third 2015 team had better record. They also put their second 2014 team in the same division as their fourth 2013 team. Fourth 2013 team had better record. They also put their third 2014 team in the same division as their sixth 2013 team. Sixth 2013 team had better record. Each time, the older, lower level team (by 2-3 levels) did better than the younger, higher team. I bet 99% of the parents on these younger, higher teams think their kids are better than the kids on older, lower teams, but their records show otherwise.