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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And now Trump is blaming Ukraine for the war starting. [/quote]

[b]Citation[/b]?

Anyone notice that posters leave comments and never provide sources, links, or citations? Just broad, unverified statements with zero evidence. [/quote]

Major news organizations are broadcasting video of President Trump saying that Ukraine has had 3 years to end a war that they started. [/quote]

Russia was the aggressor.  Ukraine owes them nothing.

And if Ukraine is excluded from negotiations, they are not bound or beholden to any so-called "agreement" made.  If the "agreement" says that Russia is to withdraw, great.  But this nonsense about things like making restitution to Russia is absolute garbage and if I were Zelenskyy I'd be saying "go collect from Trump."  If anything, Russia needs to be paying Ukraine reparations.  Russia's invasion was unprovoked, illegal and unwarranted. [/quote]

Ukraine can fight Russia without American taxpayer dollars and American taxpayer funded military arms. Let’s see how long they last. [/quote]

Ukraine absolutely needs to be part of the negotiations.

But Europe as whole? No, freeloading time is over. If you want to be partners instead of lackeys then you should have put your money where your mouth is.

I would have zero problems if they want to step up and be equal partners. As it stands though NATO and the EU have been suckling off the teat of the U.S. since 1945.

Still waiting to see how the supposed “soft power” the U.S. gets from being Europe’s guard dog helps the citizens that are subsidizing their defense so they can have their cushy welfare states and look down at us for being “military obsessed” :roll:

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Look at that, as soon as Trump scares the crap out of them, European leaders are now discussing a potential agreement to spend $700B on their militaries.   In the end, it might have actually worked.  Europeans crap on the US for healthcare, education, childcare, etc.  Let's see how many wonderful social programs they have left now that they have to spend significant sums on protecting themselves.  They'll have to raise taxes so much it'll suffocate everyone, or they'll have to cut social spending if they want to exist. [/quote]

We’re done being taken advantage of by our “allies”.

This was something predicted MANY administrations ago by secdef Gates. Now instead of the carrot, Europe gets the stick.

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The only problem is Defense is our big export/economy.  And while this has needed to change it needed to happen gradually without pissing off all our allies and further dividing our country. America alone wasn’t supposed to be the goal. [/quote]

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