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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can the posters who rail on about how our education system is “inadequately funded” please be specific about what they actually expect? We already spend WAY more per student than any other country on earth, sometimes by a factor of 10. What do you seriously expect[b]? A personal 1:1 aide for every single student with a “special needs” diagnosis? Do you have any idea how much that would cost? [/b]

Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of a chance for all at public education but that doesn’t mean we support it for all students AT ALL COSTS which seems to be what some people expect. I[b]’m happy to give everyone a chance but if they can’t function in a mainstream classroom without affecting the safety or education of others then they need to go somewhere else. And yes that might be many such kids together in a room in a special facility without sharp tools and possibly without computers or other expensive items (or behind unbreakable glass shield or something like that) and with a teacher specially trained to handle those kids who gets paid more for the knowledge and danger[/b]. [/quote]

I agree with the sentiment, but cost is literally why things are so poopy for everyone and there’s a focus on mainstreaming.

Take for instance, this article [b]from 2013[/b] so you can imagine the increase in prices.

https://www.pullcom.com/newsroom-publications-Demystifying-The-Costs-of-Special-Education

[quote] Over at least the past decade, however, there has been a role reversal as districts recommend placements within the public schools, but many parents seek out-of-district day or residential placements.  These placements are not inexpensive: [b]one Boston-area residential facility for autistic children costs more than $400,000 a year[/b].  Similarly, a residential school for visually impaired children near Boston charges approximately $300,000.  While these placements are at the high end, [b]it is not unusual for ten-month residential programs to charge between $70,000 to $150,000.[/b]  While day programs are typically less expensive, when the cost of transportation is added, a residential placement can sometimes be more cost-effective. [/quote]

Meanwhile, the highest average cost per student to be educated in a mainstream classroom, in the U.S. is in NY where it’s like twenty-something thousand per student.

So, when we’re at a point where almost 1 in 5 students have special needs (of all levels, but which require extra accommodation and funding nonetheless).. what’s the answer? Honestly, what is the answer? The majority of your state and local taxes are already going to k-12 education (federal funding covers like.. 10% of k-12 budgets). If we want to adequately fund schools to the idealistic point of what so many of us call “the simple solution” where every kid regardless of ability or potential gets exactly what they need.. are you willing to pay 2,3,4+ times more state and local taxes? And if you are because you have a mid-six figure income and can afford i, do you think the other 90% of Americans who make less than $200k a year are willing/able to?

There’s not any good/heartwarming/perfect/feelgood answer here.

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No, I’m not prepared to pay any more local taxes to give disruptive students more stuff to destroy. Once we pay double the cost for them as for other students, that is enough.[/quote]

Kids with severe physical disabilities are similarly expensive. Should it be "too bad so sad" for them, too?

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Physical disabilities are different because first, they usually don’t stop everyone else from learning, and second, adjustments made can often help other kids later too (e.g. wheel chair ramps). Kids who are disruptive in classes obviously stop the other kids from learning, often give the other kids anxiety and even PTSD to deal with them, and any expenses (1:1 aides or replaced items from then destroying stuff) are usually just sucked up by that disruptive kid alone.

A distinction really needs to be made with any legal protections because they are completely different things.[/quote]

That depends on the disability. But regardless, they are expensive. Do you want to limit the per pupil spending to 2x for them, too?[/quote]

Not for durable items or infrastructure that can be reused (ramps etc). But for spending that is not durable (personal aide if someone can’t hear or lip read and needs all speech signed to them) then yes, I think 2x should be the limit provided in the mainstream classes where there is a special ed center alternative available where those resources can be reused by other students. 2x might be called a “reasonable” accommodation.
Anything beyond that becomes unreasonable IMO.

And mainstreaming kids with behavioral issues is “unreasonable” simply because of the negative impact on the mental/emotional health and the learning of other students, even without considering the excessive costs.[/quote]

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