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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] [quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If we are going to just keep talking about the 1960s and the 1850s and keep using that baggage of the past rather than talking about the now and the future then there never is a solution or path forward.

I think the example of Barack Obama that was brought up is indeed valid and relevant and perfectly illustrates the problem of internal baggage, as the only thing different between him and any other AA is what's on the inside, it's NOT what's on the outside as other posters keep saying.  [b]There are plenty of AAs on these forums with G&T and college-bound students[/b] who could follow his path.[/quote]

Yes, and some of those folks live in SE DC.

I don't agree with the rest of your post, but I truly wish more understood and agreed with this. The issue is that so many people still think of/reference Blacks en masse and in a negative way -- if there are Blacks who do well, they are not representative of the norm. Why not? Really, why not? Because the media doesn't regularly do pieces on Blacks who are doing well, or whites who are doing poorly, so many have the idea and express themselves in ways that indicate all Blacks are decrepit and whites do not have the same issues. Two inescapable facts:

1. Whites collectively control the wealth and political power in the United States
2. Whites gotand retained that wealth and political power in large part through slavery and subsequent laws and societal practices that kept Blacks from achieving equality.

Beyond that we're all human, some doing well, some not, some intelligent, some not, some availing themselves of advantages, some not.

The issue I see is that so many whites continue to gripe and complain about any opportunities given to Black society and try to separate themselves from AAs; whites seem particularly cognizant of and offended by any ills in Black society, while denying any context/culpability. That this is considered an acceptable attitude in the majority of white society is astounding to me.

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There is some "en masse" thinking on your part.  It's not "whites collectively" in point 1 above, it's a tiny handful of whites, along with some who are not white; and 2. That political power and wealth is not collectively retained, nor is it exclusive to whites, and the subsequent laws and societal practices have by and large been undone and dispensed with.

Whites have their problems - from toothless meth heads living in an alley to sleazy multimillionaire white collar corporate raiders, to the murderers, rapists, child abusers and so on.  But, the difference is that whites are willing to admit and acknowledge it, no hesitation to talk about it, and a casting of blame directly on  those who are engaging in the behavior, and condemnation of it it wherever it exists, [b]whereas in AA society this is not the case, where there is either denial and unwillingness to talk about the problem and resentment that anyone else would dare talk about the problem, and an immediate shifting of blame and complete unwillingness to allow any responsibility whatsoever to be put on those who are engaging in the bad behavior.[/b]

Nothing will ever be solved if the problem is not acknowledged, and not allowed to be discussed openly and honestly.  [/quote]

Yes, when whites do discuss their issues, they blame the individuals, not the entire race.

AAs definitely acknowledge issues, but usually not with people who will assume that those issues are a marker for the entire race, and not with people who offer no real solutions, acknowledge no contributing factors, and whose sole purpose is to complain, vilify, and remove/segregate AAs away from precious snowflakes, to use a very popular phraseology on this board, rather than assist.

Why should AAs enter into a discussion that will only serve to further compound issues for their people? When the only answer you can come up with is to segregate, based on skin color, economic status, perceived intelligence and abilities, etc, then no one benefits.

The rest of your post has been addressed elsewhere, hopefully no need to reiterate. Assuming you haven’t read the entire thread. 
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