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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"DP here. URMs absolutely have lower test scores and GPAs for admittance to T25. You have to be really, really, really out of the loop not to know that. White kids and Asian kids would never get admitted with most of the URM scores and GPAs. It is not good or bad, it just is."

You're clueless. Their scores as a group might be lower that those of the wealthy white kids with professional parents who attended college. But no POC at a top school is getting in with a score that low. It would be pretty difficult to keep up with the ultra high achievers if you couldn't at least score in the top quintile, and it's really rare for URM students to flunk out of the most elite schools. [/quote]
DP.

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The chart doesn’t support that URM students are getting into Harvard (or Yale) with 1090 scores. The chart supports that the scores are at least at the 90% percentile, which is why the OP called BS on the original post. Big difference between 1090 and 1390. The OP didn’t claim that the scores for URM students are the SAME for white and Asian students. [/quote]
that chart shows what the chart shows.. that the average black students admitted to Harvard have a much lower score than their Asian American counter parts.

You are being obtuse if you don't realize that Asian Americans have to far outperform every single group to be admitted to those schools.[/quote]

Nope.

Asian Americans are admitted at 3X + their population. Already admitted at high rates. SFFA is crying "discrimination" but many applicants for limited spots. The SAT isn't everything. [/quote]

So you think colleges should have quotas on how many people of one race they admit? That admissions should change to race based and population based admission, not college preparedness?

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Try not to think of it this way - it only leads to frustration.  Harvard and others like it are looking to produce the next Ron DeSantis or Terence Tao or Alice Walker or Bill Gates or Michelle Obama or whoever has influence on their world and country.  It is almost impossible to predict this when looking at high school  kids.  College preparation is certainly one factor they are looking at when trying to decide who to admit but it’s a floor.  Mostly they want to build this class of future leaders.  Their success in picking at least a few superstars is what keeps their brand active and their coffers full.  The stats you see are the product of that subjective and perhaps wrong assessment of some of the smartest 17/18 year olds in the world.  It results in a class where more high achieving Asian Americans don’t make it than similarly qualified peers.   Some of it may be (is) because of unconscious bias.  But honestly it’s at least partly because you are using how you might choose those likely to be most successful (academic preparedness) with what Harvard is looking for (none of us really know).  [/quote]

DP.  You are suggesting that Harvard and co. are run by people so smart that you want to trust them to be 'king makers' for the world.  i don't.  What if the outcome would be even better if they were to depend on academic preparedness as opposed to other random criteria?  How will we know unless it's tried out?

Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella came out a system that almost exclusively rewards academic preparedness.  They beat out thousands of others, many of who with undergrad and grad from Harvard, MIT and Stanford to get to where they are.  Not too shabby.   Why not extend that to all of society?  What if they had been rejected from undergrad admissions because their college preferred to give away that seat who started a fake-charity or gold star pickleball player?  Imagine the loss..[/quote]

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