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[b]Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays.[/b] Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.[/quote]
[b]How do you know this? [/b]

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.[/quote]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

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40% is not "most".  Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.[/quote]

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.[/quote]
40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border?  You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

[b]Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river.  For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.[/b]

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.[/quote]

ok, how many exactly? how many are actually flying from cartels? lets see some numbers from you.

i am sorry that you came from some hell hole but not all of us did.[/quote]
I have no idea, but I am not the one claiming that "most" illegals over stay their visas and walk over the border "calmly".  I just used the "facts" you stated to show that "most" illegal immigrants are not compromised of those who overstay their visas.

By all means, let's stick to "facts", just don't then go making up your own "facts" when you have no idea what's true and what isn't either.[/quote]

you constantly peddle the myth that immigrants are starving people desperate and eternally grateful to be in the US. you have zero facts - except for your own pathetic experience - to support this.

until i raised it, you clearly had no idea overstaying visas was in a thing. and if you researched a bit more (or at least read the article i attached) it is not clear what exact number is. it might as well be 51% as this point because tourist and other nonimmigrant visas have been issued more easily in the past few years. so it could as well be 50.00001% which to you apparently makes all the difference in the world.[/quote]
lol.. your "facts" went from 40% to "around 51%".  lol[/quote]

you are so dumb... i am only writing here because others might read it. no my facts didn't go from 40 to 51. 51 as some ultimate threshold is irrelevant. numbers on illegal immigration are hard to come by - all these estimates involve a lot of uncertainty, enough to render any strong claims of majority or plurality pointless.

the point is that a lot of illegal immigration comes from people filing for tourist (student etc) visas abroad and then not leaving. some of them come from overseas. in many cases these people are not poor. they are probably looking for a better life, but in many cases that is much more similar to movement within the US than some 'i am starving, please let me in' myth.[/quote]

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