Anonymous wrote:What angers me the most about illegal immigrants isn't them "taking our jobs" as so many fly-over whites claim, but their lack of respect for our educational system.

I'm a HS teacher. More than half of my students are still classified as ESL students. I'm fluent in Spanish and part of the team that works after school to assist the ESL students with tutoring. Many of the students who do seek help and want to learn/excel, are hindered by their parents. Their parents insist on them getting a job to help support the family. So instead of being able to stay after school for help, they immediately rush out to work (some even two jobs after school) and then come to class the next day without their work done because they didn't have time. The parents don't care. Money is needed to survive here and once you reach working age, THAT should be your goal, not school.

And since their parents speak little to no English, they are unable to assist with homework. Or are unwilling, as one father told me this year. I have another student who is very bright in all of her math courses, but struggles in her basic 9th grade English course. I offered to work one-on-one with her but she said she couldn't because she was responsible for picking up her younger siblings from their after school care before 4 or else her mom got charged a higher fee.

How can you tell me you came here to give your child a better life when you're doing as many things as possible to hinder that child from having a better life?! Sure, teens should have jobs after school, but not multiple jobs so that they get home from work at midnight too exhausted to do homework. And it's fine to help take care of younger siblings, but when it prevents them from attending free tutoring that is needed to pass a class?

Wow, are you for real?

Your post oozes of privilege. Have some compassion!

I don't defend it per se, but I prefer an illegal immigrant who is willing to contribute to society in some way through menial labor than a lazy American who would rather be on welfare than move to find a job or get re-trained, and then complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that they don't want anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:Another serious question, why don't these people become legal citizens?

Or learn English. For the love of god, learn English!!! Assimilate already.

Did all of the German, Italian, Polish, Swedish, and other western europeans who immigrated at the turn of the 20th century learn English? Nope. But since they looked liked the dominant ethnic majority , it didn't matter.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

? I am stating "facts". Whether you want to feel some sympathy for people is entirely up to your conscience.

I have sympathy for those getting slaughtered in Sudan. I don't have sympathy for those who know there is more money to make in the US and they can sneak in here pretty easily and get it. Sorry.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

First off, I am not Christian. Never was.

Second, stealing a piece of old bread is not the same as sneaking into a foreign country and living off of those citizen's taxes. Especially popping out a kid to get all legalized government subsidies that are stretched too thing for legal citizens already.

Three, I too would like to remind you that the starving illegal immigrants killed and took over the Native Americans. History is there to learn from and prevent. Yet, here we are inviting and teaching illegal immigrants two languages free of cost while legal elementary-school citizens never get to learn another language until 6th grade, when we all know is too late. Hispanic is now the majority in MCPS schools and bilingual will be mandatory giving a clear advantage to immigrants. So yes, thank you for reminding us what illegal immigrants can do and how quickly a country can change, on this Thanksgiving weekend.

Four, showing compassion means closing the boarders tight so our LEGAL citizens living in high poverty have more job opportunities, more schooling opportunities, and better government assistance. Did you forget about them PP? How about homeless Veterans? They don't fit your liberal agenda either, do they?

What angers me the most about illegal immigrants isn't them "taking our jobs" as so many fly-over whites claim, but their lack of respect for our educational system.

I'm a HS teacher. More than half of my students are still classified as ESL students. I'm fluent in Spanish and part of the team that works after school to assist the ESL students with tutoring. Many of the students who do seek help and want to learn/excel, are hindered by their parents. Their parents insist on them getting a job to help support the family. So instead of being able to stay after school for help, they immediately rush out to work (some even two jobs after school) and then come to class the next day without their work done because they didn't have time. The parents don't care. Money is needed to survive here and once you reach working age, THAT should be your goal, not school.

And since their parents speak little to no English, they are unable to assist with homework. Or are unwilling, as one father told me this year. I have another student who is very bright in all of her math courses, but struggles in her basic 9th grade English course. I offered to work one-on-one with her but she said she couldn't because she was responsible for picking up her younger siblings from their after school care before 4 or else her mom got charged a higher fee.

How can you tell me you came here to give your child a better life when you're doing as many things as possible to hinder that child from having a better life?! Sure, teens should have jobs after school, but not multiple jobs so that they get home from work at midnight too exhausted to do homework. And it's fine to help take care of younger siblings, but when it prevents them from attending free tutoring that is needed to pass a class?

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

ok, how many exactly? how many are actually flying from cartels? lets see some numbers from you.

i am sorry that you came from some hell hole but not all of us did.

I have no idea, but I am not the one claiming that "most" illegals over stay their visas and walk over the border "calmly". I just used the "facts" you stated to show that "most" illegal immigrants are not compromised of those who overstay their visas.

By all means, let's stick to "facts", just don't then go making up your own "facts" when you have no idea what's true and what isn't either.

you constantly peddle the myth that immigrants are starving people desperate and eternally grateful to be in the US. you have zero facts - except for your own pathetic experience - to support this.

until i raised it, you clearly had no idea overstaying visas was in a thing. and if you researched a bit more (or at least read the article i attached) it is not clear what exact number is. it might as well be 51% as this point because tourist and other nonimmigrant visas have been issued more easily in the past few years. so it could as well be 50.00001% which to you apparently makes all the difference in the world.

lol.. your "facts" went from 40% to "around 51%". lol

you are so dumb... i am only writing here because others might read it. no my facts didn't go from 40 to 51. 51 as some ultimate threshold is irrelevant. numbers on illegal immigration are hard to come by - all these estimates involve a lot of uncertainty, enough to render any strong claims of majority or plurality pointless.

the point is that a lot of illegal immigration comes from people filing for tourist (student etc) visas abroad and then not leaving. some of them come from overseas. in many cases these people are not poor. they are probably looking for a better life, but in many cases that is much more similar to movement within the US than some 'i am starving, please let me in' myth.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

stop with the nonsense!! immigrants are much more like people moving from city to city trying to find better work/safety/schools than people starving while being chased by gangs.

Exactly.. because they couldn't find jobs at home. No job, no money = starve to death.

for someone who supposedly came here very poor you are pretty heavy on talking points about poverty. not having a job does not equal not having money. think about that a little.

? What? I grew up poor. I know what it's like to not have enough to eat because there are no jobs, and what it does to a parent to watch your kids not have enough to eat. I think some Americans know how that feels, too. No, I didn't starve to death (I was speaking in hyperbole), but it's a painful thing to watch your children not have enough to eat, and know that if you don't do something about your situation, your children will suffer the same outcome as you.

JC, have some compassion.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

stop with the nonsense!! immigrants are much more like people moving from city to city trying to find better work/safety/schools than people starving while being chased by gangs.

Exactly.. because they couldn't find jobs at home. No job, no money = starve to death.

for someone who supposedly came here very poor you are pretty heavy on talking points about poverty. not having a job does not equal not having money. think about that a little.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

stop with the nonsense!! immigrants are much more like people moving from city to city trying to find better work/safety/schools than people starving while being chased by gangs.

Exactly.. because they couldn't find jobs at home. No job, no money = starve to death.

omg. clearly you are not an immigrant at all. at best you came here as a young child and have no idea what it is to actually immigrate.

not finding a job is not equal to starving to death. i can safely bet that, in mexico, <10 people a year die from starvation. in fact, they are among the fattest nations on earth. like in the US, most of those fatties are poor, not rich people. so starvation is not an issue in mexico and even less so in canada - main sources of illegal immigration.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

stop with the nonsense!! immigrants are much more like people moving from city to city trying to find better work/safety/schools than people starving while being chased by gangs.

Exactly.. because they couldn't find jobs at home. No job, no money = starve to death.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

ok, how many exactly? how many are actually flying from cartels? lets see some numbers from you.

i am sorry that you came from some hell hole but not all of us did.

I have no idea, but I am not the one claiming that "most" illegals over stay their visas and walk over the border "calmly". I just used the "facts" you stated to show that "most" illegal immigrants are not compromised of those who overstay their visas.

By all means, let's stick to "facts", just don't then go making up your own "facts" when you have no idea what's true and what isn't either.

you constantly peddle the myth that immigrants are starving people desperate and eternally grateful to be in the US. you have zero facts - except for your own pathetic experience - to support this.

until i raised it, you clearly had no idea overstaying visas was in a thing. and if you researched a bit more (or at least read the article i attached) it is not clear what exact number is. it might as well be 51% as this point because tourist and other nonimmigrant visas have been issued more easily in the past few years. so it could as well be 50.00001% which to you apparently makes all the difference in the world.

lol.. your "facts" went from 40% to "around 51%". lol

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".

stop with the nonsense!! immigrants are much more like people moving from city to city trying to find better work/safety/schools than people starving while being chased by gangs.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

ok, how many exactly? how many are actually flying from cartels? lets see some numbers from you.

i am sorry that you came from some hell hole but not all of us did.

I have no idea, but I am not the one claiming that "most" illegals over stay their visas and walk over the border "calmly". I just used the "facts" you stated to show that "most" illegal immigrants are not compromised of those who overstay their visas.

By all means, let's stick to "facts", just don't then go making up your own "facts" when you have no idea what's true and what isn't either.

you constantly peddle the myth that immigrants are starving people desperate and eternally grateful to be in the US. you have zero facts - except for your own pathetic experience - to support this.

until i raised it, you clearly had no idea overstaying visas was in a thing. and if you researched a bit more (or at least read the article i attached) it is not clear what exact number is. it might as well be 51% as this point because tourist and other nonimmigrant visas have been issued more easily in the past few years. so it could as well be 50.00001% which to you apparently makes all the difference in the world.

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Most illegals immigrants come through visa overstays. Not sure they ever crossed dangerous borders and it seems they could afford travels and visas. The stereotype of desperate hard working immigrants fighting for life is incorrect (and very annoying to me as it does not apply at all). I am sure it describes some people but whether that is even a majority of highly questionable.

How do you know this?

Regardless, for those who are willing to risk life/limb, their lives must've been pretty dire.

And we all know that stereotypes don't apply to all, but I presume to know everyone's situation.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/jul/29/marco-rubio/rubio-says-40-percent-illegal-immigrants-are-overs/

"mostly true".

40% is not "most". Based on math, "most" illegal immigrants cross the border illegally, not overstay their visas.

right....must be fun to be so pedantic.

when you subtract those who calmly file and pay for their visas and those who go casually cross the border the number of those who fight for their lives climbing fences diminishes significantly.

40% over stay their visas.

60% came by other means, ie, cross the border illegally. "Calmly" cross the border? You realize walking miles in the hot desert is not a cake walk?

Many have died trying to "calmly" walk across the border via dehydration or drowning in the river. For those who don't "calmly" walk across the border, they are usually packed into trucks with little water and ventilation.

The only illegal immigrants who probably "calmly" walk across the border are those from the north of us.

Wait, are we supposed to feel bad about those that break federal law? Who cares how they got here. Boat, crawled, swam, walked, skipped, etc... They broke the law.

You should like a grandfather. I walked 2 miles to school everyday in 4 feet of snow.....

If I saw a person who was starving steal a piece of bread old bread that most people didn't want, I'd have some compassion for that person even if that person broke the law. And no, it's not the same thing as murdering someone. There are different degrees to offenses, and a criminal act is not all equal.

Did your parents never teach you any compassion for people? What happened to this great "Christian" nation?

I'd like to remind people about the upcoming holiday - Thanksgiving - and how Native Americans shared their food with the near starving European "illegal immigrants".