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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this. [/quote]

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone. [/quote]

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents. [/quote]

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.[/quote]

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point. [/quote]

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction. [/quote]

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.[/quote]

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones. [/quote]

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle:  establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.[/quote]

We’ve tried it.  It doesn’t work.  We’ll constantly have to stop class.  [/quote]

1. We have not tried it. There has been no real effort to enforce the rules and implement consequences. There have not been consistent, school-wide systems or enforcement. There have not been official school-wide storage systems for offenders. Constantly telling them to put it away is not the same as actually handing them a storage pouch (which can be done while continuing your lecture and walking a pouch over to the student and handing it to them) and presenting a visible consequence for all to see (instead of everyone knowing the teacher may or may not scold and won't do anything about it even if they do scold).

2.  Constantly stopping class is already the status quo. It would likely continue for a little while until students learn that the school is serious and actually makes them put it in a locked pouch for the remainder of the day. Same principle as under a blanket storage pouch for all system: students caught with their phone out, trying to dodge the pouch with a 'fake' phone, get called out and learn that they can't have their phone out without consequences. The difference is, students earn the privilege and endure the consequence rather than all students endure the consequence.

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