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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Just what is it you're waiting to hear? The problem has been noted countless times: kids distracted, not engaged in class, teachers spending too much time policing and not teaching, etc. If you haven't heard how this proposal will help, you're just not listening - no phones, no more phone distractions, far less teacher policing. That not being "convincing" enough for you indicates that you just don't believe it's a problem and should absolutely not be addressed by banning phones. There is no convincing someone with that attitude and lack of open mindedness.

ok so if the problem is distraction in class then can you explain why APS is locking phones in pouches for the ENTIRE day in some schools and not allowing them out between classes?

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

Yes. Then it becomes “I’ll put it away, I’ll put it away, it was just for a second, my mom was texting me!” This has BEEN our reality for years.

Yes, I know what the current situation and problem is. That's why we're implementing this pilot program - which again, I fully support. But when you present an official phone storage pouch for the student to place their phone in, AND ENFORCE IT, there is no longer an acceptance of that BS excuse from the student. Currently, teachers can't/don't/won't confiscate a student's personal phone so there wasn't much they could do but let the kid put the phone back in his pocket. If every classroom (teacher) had a locking/unlocking device, the teacher can put an end to it more quickly and ultimately minimize the # of times they have to interrupt class. Students will actually learn to refrain from getting their phone out because they SEE phones actually getting locked up and don't want that to happen to them.

DP. The FOMO is still there in their heads, they know the phone is right there int he pocket, when it buzzes for notifications, they think about it. Their attention is split, their learning is disrupted. Their brains are making pathways that this is the right way to be, distracted and unfocused and learning nothing. These kids will become adults.

You think this is a good future, for your kids or any kids? I think it's bleak. I think we must do what we can to prevent it, to help kids brains' grow properly, focused and at least somewhat educated. For everyone's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

Yes. Then it becomes “I’ll put it away, I’ll put it away, it was just for a second, my mom was texting me!” This has BEEN our reality for years.

Yes, I know what the current situation and problem is. That's why we're implementing this pilot program - which again, I fully support. But when you present an official phone storage pouch for the student to place their phone in, AND ENFORCE IT, there is no longer an acceptance of that BS excuse from the student. Currently, teachers can't/don't/won't confiscate a student's personal phone so there wasn't much they could do but let the kid put the phone back in his pocket. If every classroom (teacher) had a locking/unlocking device, the teacher can put an end to it more quickly and ultimately minimize the # of times they have to interrupt class. Students will actually learn to refrain from getting their phone out because they SEE phones actually getting locked up and don't want that to happen to them.

DP. The FOMO is still there in their heads, they know the phone is right there int he pocket, when it buzzes for notifications, they think about it. Their attention is split, their learning is disrupted. Their brains are making pathways that this is the right way to be, distracted and unfocused and learning nothing. These kids will become adults.

You think this is a good future, for your kids or any kids? I think it's bleak. I think we must do what we can to prevent it, to help kids brains' grow properly, focused and at least somewhat educated. For everyone's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Just what is it you're waiting to hear? The problem has been noted countless times: kids distracted, not engaged in class, teachers spending too much time policing and not teaching, etc. If you haven't heard how this proposal will help, you're just not listening - no phones, no more phone distractions, far less teacher policing. That not being "convincing" enough for you indicates that you just don't believe it's a problem and should absolutely not be addressed by banning phones. There is no convincing someone with that attitude and lack of open mindedness.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

Lol

The problem is well known and understood by everyone by it.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

Yes. Then it becomes “I’ll put it away, I’ll put it away, it was just for a second, my mom was texting me!” This has BEEN our reality for years.

Yes, I know what the current situation and problem is. That's why we're implementing this pilot program - which again, I fully support. But when you present an official phone storage pouch for the student to place their phone in, AND ENFORCE IT, there is no longer an acceptance of that BS excuse from the student. Currently, teachers can't/don't/won't confiscate a student's personal phone so there wasn't much they could do but let the kid put the phone back in his pocket. If every classroom (teacher) had a locking/unlocking device, the teacher can put an end to it more quickly and ultimately minimize the # of times they have to interrupt class. Students will actually learn to refrain from getting their phone out because they SEE phones actually getting locked up and don't want that to happen to them.

DP. The FOMO is still there in their heads, they know the phone is right there int he pocket, when it buzzes for notifications, they think about it. Their attention is split, their learning is disrupted. Their brains are making pathways that this is the right way to be, distracted and unfocused and learning nothing. These kids will become adults.

You think this is a good future, for your kids or any kids? I think it's bleak. I think we must do what we can to prevent it, to help kids brains' grow properly, focused and at least somewhat educated. For everyone's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

Yes. Then it becomes “I’ll put it away, I’ll put it away, it was just for a second, my mom was texting me!” This has BEEN our reality for years.

Yes, I know what the current situation and problem is. That's why we're implementing this pilot program - which again, I fully support. But when you present an official phone storage pouch for the student to place their phone in, AND ENFORCE IT, there is no longer an acceptance of that BS excuse from the student. Currently, teachers can't/don't/won't confiscate a student's personal phone so there wasn't much they could do but let the kid put the phone back in his pocket. If every classroom (teacher) had a locking/unlocking device, the teacher can put an end to it more quickly and ultimately minimize the # of times they have to interrupt class. Students will actually learn to refrain from getting their phone out because they SEE phones actually getting locked up and don't want that to happen to them.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

Yes. Then it becomes “I’ll put it away, I’ll put it away, it was just for a second, my mom was texting me!” This has BEEN our reality for years.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

We’ve tried it. It doesn’t work. We’ll constantly have to stop class.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

DP. Personally, I can't think of a convincing pro-phone argument from the parent perspective. having just had a lengthy discussion with my Wakefield student, however, I can offer one tidbit from the responsible student's perspective: she and her friends who participate in class and maintain high GPAs, do their work and turn it in on time, who may use their phones between classes or during non-instruction time during a class period, and don't use their phones when they are having lunch together talking - who consider themselves to be responsible, successful, and following current policies and expectations - feel they are (1) being punished by (2) being treated like little irresponsible children.

I support "away for the day" and the pilot program. However, I would also support going about it from a different angle: establish a new, firm "away for the day" policy and expect students to follow it. When a student has their phone out, give them a pouch to put it in and keep it locked the rest of the day. In other words, pouch consequence for the students who break the rule. Rule-abiding students can keep their phones in their backpack, not feel like they're being unfairly punished, and be treated according to the level of responsibility and maturity they have demonstrated.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

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Anonymous wrote:With a little effort -you know parenting- parents could solve this problem for themselves. Even with no effort they could decide not to give their kid a smartphone. But the parents who won’t want to ban phones for everyone else. I still don’t get this.

This isn’t accurate. The parents who don’t want to limit their kids’ use ALSO don’t want them banned. The people most in favor of it seem to be the parents of kids who genuinely want ALL kids to have rich learning experiences and the ability to not spend their educational years on screens. The parents fighting this hardest are the ones who also have phone issues and can’t fathom what their kids could possibly do all day if not on a phone.

Sorry not true at all. The parents who can't or won't control their own kids's screen use want the school to take away the cell phones. They also hate screens in general, and seem confused about the larger screen issues vs cell phones. I have heard this from multiple parents.

Completely wrong take. I have been very against the laptop policy from the beginning and advocated against it when the ipads were first being rolled out. The ensuing years have shown that having a laptop did not lead to some significant increase in grades and test scores among the targeted groups. However, most of the other kids in my kids' gifted (i.e., intensified or AP) classes can barely write coherent paragraphs, spell regular words correctly, or know the differences between homonyms. Likewise, teachers have not graded electronic submissions as rigorously as paper submissions and it looks like the silly no-red-ink movement won and the kids got didn't. I mean if you require typed up papers, then at least make them kids print them out so you can actually mark them up while giving detailed feedback. "Good job" or "insightful" on a Canvas comment two weeks later is insufficient.

I'm also for getting rid of phones because it serves a very non-academic route and promotes laziness among a subset of teachers, the lazy ones, that use student accessibility of personal home devices to circumvent the locked school devices to do their lessons or direct to websites that the school has blocked. Also, there is an incredible prevalence of using chatbots by students to do their math and writing assignments that I'm sure certain parents must be aware of. Some kids even use it on tests because at least some of my kids' teachers conveniently do other work and pretend to be busy when they should be proctoring. This also happens in the afterschool makeup/redo test hours. These less able kids who are cheating may have some of the parents who insist on phone availability at school since much of homework is allowed or required to be done at school these days.

And the idiots who use arguments like computer literacy or teaching tool either don't know those two things are not happening and haven't woken up from their nap or are know what's happening and are just hoping that they can convince ignorant parents to join their agenda.

you're so irrational i don't even know where to start. you totally missed the point.

So you addd nothing to the discussion or explain the point. I am pro all day ban, and I also am against so much laptop and tablet use during instruction.

no i don't think i'm going to get very far when you insult everyone who disagrees with you by calling them idiots.

I’m not Pp who called people idiots. I don’t do that. I am very curious to hear the pro-phone argument; all I’ve heard so far is “it’s my right to give my kids a phone” and “school shooter!” As why they advocate for phones.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”

Well, no. But you don't just do something just to do something. First (1) you define the problem we're trying to solve. Then (2) explain how this proposal will help. I still have not heard convincing arguments for either. So color me unconvinced.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there are 10 pages of postings on this. Other than kids who need apps to control their medical equipment, what exactly is the need for a child to have a phone accessible at all times? Put it away, and keep it away.

+1. It’s shocking to me that this is controversial. Unless there is a medical need, your kid doesn’t need a phone during school hours.

Plus, the new policy doesn’t actually change the rule but rather just helps teachers to enforce the rule that already exists. Students have never been allowed to have phones out during class time. Now teachers don’t have to waste time trying to police this.

I don't see how it's different than before, if the rule was always in place. Teachers are still going to have to police it to enforce the rule. The only - hopeful - difference is that they actually DO enforce it. But seriously, I have already had one school administrator during a phone conversation suggest I text my student. You mean the one who's in class right now and not supposed to have their phone available during class?

I can't believe that's still going on. Last year when I needed to pick up my DD from high school for dr appointments, the office wanted me to text/call her to come down. And annoyed when that didn't work (because her phone is away when she's in class!) that they had to call the classroom.

The grown ups in the building need to get used to being old school too.

Or we could just admit that these restrictions are not going to work because that's not the way society works anymore.

“It’s time to give up! We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!”