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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If God can’t save an innocent person from suffering, then he isn’t omnipotent, is he? He can’t be both benevolent and omnipotent. The two are mutually exclusive in this case.[/quote]

So in your view, God should exist to please us? Keep us safe, happy, help us achieve our desires?

I think any objective observer can see that there is something deeply flawed with humanity. We do things we know are wrong. Not just do things that are wrong but we often enjoy doing things that we know are wrong and hurtful to others. We have an internal consciousness but fight it at times. Animals don't do this. [b]Everything in this world follows the "rules" put upon them. Rocks, on earth, will drop because they follow the laws of gravity. Lions are vicious and kill but do not do so for pure enjoyment[/b]. anyone would recognize that human evil goes way beyond. It is not a matter of linear progression from the animal world but a totally different plane.

So in this context, do you think God should aim to please us, who are greatly flawed? Any correction from God will feel horrible to us because it is not because God is mean or evil, but because we are flawed. Think of real life. Anything worth achieving requires a huge amount of sacrifice, pain, and sometimes suffering. Those who live a sheltered life often do not gain the wisdom and maturity of those who have been through difficult period of life. This is just how things are.[/quote]

This is actually not true. Have you seen what Orcas can do? There is absolutely thrill killing (ever seen a cat play with a bird), rape, infanticide, etc. in the animal kingdom. They do not have a consciousness to the level that humans do, but many display intelligence, empathy, ability to help or harm others, etc. Let’s not pretend animals are just out there following some set of rules for survival and never do anything like kill or maim for fun.

I agree with you humanity is deeply flawed (and we have more tools, language, etc. than any other animal to overcome these flaws if we wanted). But we aren’t alone in the universe as far as doing some messed up stuff.[/quote]

Animals do not sin. They are incapable of sin because they were not created as independent moral agents.

Sin does not begin with the act; it originates in a soul that has the law of God written upon it (Romans 2:15; James 1:14). Human beings are created in the image of God with an everlasting soul (Genesis 1:27). Animals are not created in the image of God.
 
Animals can choose to do things others want them to do, but that is trained into them using treats. Unfortunately, some people train animals to react in aggressive or harmful ways by physically punishment and pain.

The moral laws of God do not apply to animals.

Now if you do not believe in God, this will not make sense to you. Nobody here is asking anyone to believe in God or believe any of this stuff. The people who don’t believe in God and don’t believe this stuff, that’s perfectly fine. You have no need to believe anything. However, lots of people do believe this stuff. Their belief should be respected, the same as someone’s disbelief. 
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