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[quote=Anonymous]I think people need to be really clear about the words they're using.

There are many kinds of killings. The law distinguishes between them. There is murder, of varying degrees. There is manslaughter. There are killings that are justified by self-defense, excused due to mental defect.  People are removed from life support for various reasons. The state executes people for certain crimes and decides which crimes meet the standard for that punishment. Soldiers kill in battle and are only tried for war crimes under certain circumstances. Human beings kill animals with impunity for nutrition and sport.

If you are a person with an absolutist view of when killing becomes murder, I hope that you are a vegan anti-war anti-capital punishment person who advocates for the same punishment for any situation in which something dies. Even the distinction between killing a human animal and a non-human animal involves a prioritization of which life has more valuable.

The viability threshold is a terrible standard, though. Bioethics is complicated and doesn't fit nicely onto a signboard next to a picture of a dead baby. I used to be strongly against late abortions, but as I learned more, I learned what the PPs are saying - which is that the few dozen women who seek the procedure at all are doing so because there is something catastrophically wrong with the pregnancy. I reject the idea that women are getting abortions cavalierly in general, but in the case of women who get abortions after 20 weeks, I have never - not ONE TIME - seen or heard about a woman who simply changes her mind about being pregnant at that point. 100% of the cases I've read have been people who receive catastrophically bad genetic news at 20 weeks or who have been diagnosed with rapidly-progressing terminal illnesses. Those families' tragedies should not be politicized in any way. Compassionate conservatives should be nothing but supportive of those families making decisions about what to do in peace and helping to provide them the support they need to do so. [/quote]

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