Reply to If you had an abortion you really didn't want to have

Forum Index » Off-Topic

Reply to "If you had an abortion you really didn't want to have"

Subject:

Emoticons





More smilies

Text Color: Font: Close Marks

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pro-life troll, please answer. Do you feel the same way about the baby killing bitches doing IVF?[/quote]

NP.  And please tell us how you feel about the baby-killing bitches like me who have terminated ectopic pregnancies.[/quote]

Another pro-life poster.  Aborting an ectopic pregnancy is nothing like aborting a normal healthy pregnancy.  Do you honestly believe that pro-lifers would view it the same way?[/quote]

Yes.  Or is it "justifiable murder?"  Either you're taking a life, or you're not.  Or you're saying it's ok to take a life when x or y happens, but not z.  You hypocrites.[/quote]

The embryo in an ectopic pregnancy has NO CHANCE OF SURVIVAL.  Do you really think pro-lifers are that stupid?[/quote]

Er, yes they are. Plenty of pro-lifers want ectopic pregnancies to take their natural course. The health of the mother is of no consequence.[/quote]

Liar.  You're full of shit.  I don't believe you have ever heard a pro-life person anywhere say that.[/quote]

Yes, there are a number of pro-life people who believe that abortion should be prohibited under all circumstances, even ectopic pregnancy.  I've included links in case you want to see for yourself.  From the website of American Right to Life:

"Abortion has so hardened the heart of the medical community that no thought is given to the unborn child who is growing outside of the uterus. While government and medical industry websites claim that the baby cannot survive ectopic pregnancy, in truth, hundreds of such babies are reported as surviving abdominal, ovarian, and tubal ectopic pregnancies. For the documentation of these babies wonderful survival, see the impeccably referenced meta study: Ectopic Personhood, by Bill Fortenberry. In situ and even by transplant to the uterus (as documented below), the ectopic child often can survive. In so many cases though, the child will die and so might the mother unless a physician intervenes. Those who desire to justify abortion claim that such a complication proves their point because proper medical treatment for an ectopic pregnancy requires the intentional killing of the embryo. As demonstrated extensively by a number of medical studies, by Fortenberry, and uniquely, below, this is not true. But consider their motivation and the form of their argument."  http://americanrtl.org/life-of-the-mother-exception

From Bill Fortenberry's article on the Personhood Initiative website:

"As we can see, ectopic pregnancies are not necessarily fatal for either the mother or the child.  The mother’s survival is almost certain, and the survival of the child is at least possible if not probable.  Dr. Koop was correct.  The personhood of the unborn child does not conflict with the need to protect the life of the mother for the simple reason that abortion is never necessary for that protection.  There are other solutions available. More than one obstetrician has recommended that women with ectopic pregnancies should be placed under the constant vigil of a well equipped hospital until their children have developed enough to be delivered alive rather than sacrificed unnecessarily.[34]  Ectopic pregnancies can be survived, and we can prohibit all abortions without any exceptions." http://www.personhoodinitiative.com/ectopic-personhood.html

[/quote]

I'm the original ectopic pregnancy poster, and all I can say to that is WOW.  I wonder at what point these people would have suggested a doctor transfer my abnormally-developing embryo from my Fallopian tube to my uterus during my first ectopic pregnancy.  When I was hemorrhaging during my emergency laparotomy?  I suppose with my second ectopic that a transfer of [i]that[/i] abnormally-developing embryo should have been performed, and I should have spent the next 7.5 months in the hospital "under constant vigil", unable to take care of my toddler or work to support out family.  That sounds like a recipe for success all around.[/quote]

I am the PP who posted the info from American Right to Life and Fortenberry.  I imagine those people would vilify me as a baby killer too, since I had to end a very much wanted pregnancy at 20 weeks because of a massive infection in my uterus.  I was induced, was in labor all day, and delivered a baby girl who could not survive the delivery. She was born sleeping and the hospital chaplain baptized her for us.  I suppose I could have stayed in the hospital for weeks,  been pumped with IV antibiotics, risking my life and my future fertility, only to deliver a baby with minimal chance of a healthy outcome.  I can't think of any ethical doctor who practices science-based medicine who would agree to such an approach.  And like the PP with the ectopic pregnancies, I wouldn't have been able to care for my 5 year old son or work to support my family (of course this is irrelevant to Fortenberry and his ilk).  Together with my husband and my medical team, we made the only rational choice.  It was heartbreaking and it was the darkest day of my life.  I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.  But it have never regretted it.  I have always been pro-choice, but after this traumatizing experience, I am even more staunchly pro-choice.  I wonder if any of these irrational, extremist anti-choice people (I can't even call them pro-life) have ever personally faced a crisis pregnancy.  It's not black-and white.  It's not all sunshine and rainbows.  Sometimes pregnancies can go horribly wrong.  How they are resolved should be up to the woman, her family, her medical team, and her spiritual advisor if she chooses to consult one.        [/quote]

Options

	Disable HTML in this message
	Disable BB Code in this message
	Disable smilies in this message

Review message

Search Recent Topics Hottest Topics